Man self-identifies as woman for lower insurance - liberals go nuts.

[Sparko]

However many any given society recognizes. This has been in the 2-5 range and has varied by society and culture.

Historically our culture had 2. Currently the Western world's ideas about what constitute gender are in flux and I would say that we are becoming closer to having 3 genders than 2 but there is no established name for the 3rd, so currently it is "male", "female" and <other / neither / outside the male-female binary>. So perhaps the least-inaccurate answer for how many genders we have is 3, even if one has no established consensus name yet. That is assuming that transgender people are typically classified as whatever male/female gender they have transitioned to as they usually are. However that is historically/culturally unusual, and many historical cultures seem to have had two gender categories per sex so that transgender people could transition between genders while retaining their biological sex, while those that had 3 genders had people transition from male/female to other but not directly between male and female. So it is possible the western world will end up moving to the 5-gender model (male, female, trans-male, trans-female, other) rather than the 3-gender model (male, female, other). Both the 3 and 5 gender models are pretty common in historical cultures and both seem stable so it will be a matter of chance which of the two models Western civilization ends up using.

OK, so what makes your opinion the right one, when the LGBTQ+ crowd claims that gender is fluid and there are way more than 2 or 3, or 5? And you still seem to be associating gender with sex above.

[Starlight]

OK, so what makes your opinion the right one

Intelligence, knowledge, and stunning good looks.

when the LGBTQ+ crowd claims that gender is fluid and there are way more than 2 or 3, or 5?

They can argue for their position / hold their own view, but if "gender" is understood in the cultural-studies sense of "what gender constructs does the society or sub-culture broadly acknowledge to exist?" then they need to get a reasonable proportion of the population on board with viewing each identity as a gender before it becomes one.

[Cow Poke]

Intelligence, knowledge, and stunning good looks.

We haven't actually seen you, so you still have a 33 1/3 possibility of being correct.

[Sparko]

Intelligence, knowledge, and stunning good looks.

They can argue for their position / hold their own view, but if "gender" is understood in the cultural-studies sense of "what gender constructs does the society or sub-culture broadly acknowledge to exist?" then they need to get a reasonable proportion of the population on board with viewing each identity as a gender before it becomes one.

OK then going by that reasoning, I say there are two Genders and they correspond to the two sexes. A man is male and a woman is female. fini.

[Mountain Man]

OK, so what makes your opinion the right one, when the LGBTQ+ crowd claims that gender is fluid and there are way more than 2 or 3, or 5? And you still seem to be associating gender with sex above.

In fact, the '+' is explicitly used to signal that the alphabet soup used to identify gender disorders can be infinitely expanded (or at least until they run out of letters). The latest one I heard was LGBTQA+ (the "A" signifies "asexual").

[Mountain Man]

Then there's this...

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[Cow Poke]

OK then going by that reasoning, I say there are two Genders and they correspond to the two sexes. A man is male and a woman is female. fini.

That's a wrap!

[rogue06]

That opens a number of cans of worms....

A) Are they admitting that homosexuality is "not normal"? A defect?
2) Will they be fighting for disability benefits based on sexual orientation?

And if a disability or merely a condition, doesn't that imply that it can be treated?

[mossrose]

Do you not know how to read? A 7 year old could realize I wasn't saying that.

Perhaps if you had read my subsequent post you would have seen why I was asking the question. Even a 7 year old would have picked up on that.

[Cow Poke]

And if a disability or merely a condition, doesn't that imply that it can be treated?

Again, it has to be SO confusing to be a liberal.


(OR, is it that people are liberals BECAUSE they are confused?)

[Psychic Missile]

Interesting. So you think liberals will be in favor of not simply taking the individual's word for it? That they will have to receive an official diagnosis of gender disorder if, say, a man wants to declare himself a woman?

I think the official diagnosis of dysphoria is appropriate for legal purposes, like how a doctor needs to certify you having a disability in order to get a handicap parking sign. I also think the liberals who would be upset with this practice would be more amenable if transpeople faced less prejudice and there were fewer cultural and financial barriers to diagnosis/treatment.

[mossrose]

I think the official diagnosis of dysphoria is appropriate for legal purposes, like how a doctor needs to certify you having a disability in order to get a handicap parking sign. I also think the liberals who would be upset with this practice would be more amenable if transpeople faced less prejudice and there were fewer cultural and financial barriers to diagnosis/treatment.

I have no issues with those who face actual gender dysphasia as diagnosed by a doctor. But the whole issue has gone so much farther than that that it has become ridiculous, as indicated by the story in the op.

[Cow Poke]

I have no issues with those who face actual gender dysphasia as diagnosed by a doctor. But the whole issue has gone so much farther than that that it has become ridiculous, as indicated by the story in the op.

My only concern is that (as somebody already indicated) you can "doctor shop". The LGBQTXPSR+++ community probably has doctors they recommend for this, just like druggies know which doctors are "easy" as far as prescribing pain meds. When I worked for Ford, the union rep had a list of "approved doctors" who would more likely validate your 'disability', should you decided to claim one.

[One Bad Pig]

I have no issues with those who face actual gender dysphasia as diagnosed by a doctor. But the whole issue has gone so much farther than that that it has become ridiculous, as indicated by the story in the op.

I have issues with the usual treatment of such by encouraging the pretense of being a different gender, rather than helping the person cope with their actual gender.

[rogue06]

I have issues with the usual treatment of such by encouraging the pretense of being a different gender, rather than helping the person cope with their actual gender.

Being an enabler is now considered being open-minded and enlightened.