Trump bans reporter for 'asking the wrong questions'

[lilpixieofterror]

Even if you had a source of me supporting Clinton or whoever, it would still be whataboutism, but you have not so that makes it even more absurd and even more obvious whataboutism. Is it really all you have got? Thanks for providing more evidence. Another obvious attempt to avoid the points in the opening post.

[Charles]

There is no hypocrisy to ignore. You are all so eager to go for the ad hominem (which is certainly already the sign of a weak case) that you are simply making things up. During your last posts you have made so many false statements about me supporting Obama or earlier you talked about me being on drugs. Perhaps you should try with the truth next time? True whataboutism is a little better than whataboutism based on lies. But thanks, once again, for showing how weak your case is.

[lilpixieofterror]

There is no hypocrisy to ignore. You are all so eager to go for the ad hominem (which is certainly already the sign of a weak case) that you are simply making things up. During your last posts you have made so many false statements about me supporting Obama or earlier you talked about me being on drugs. Perhaps you should try with the truth next time? True whataboutism is a little better than whataboutism based on lies. But thanks, once again, for showing how weak your case is.

[Charles]

The opening post and this thread is about Donald Trump. That is why talking about a previous president is off topic and whataboutism. And i think you missed what I already wrote:

It seems Christians simply cannot think about right or wrong as absolutes but are only able to see them as relative to what Obama/Hillary/Liberals or whoever did.

I don't believe what is right or wrong is dependent on what Obama did and I did not support him. You have made so many false statements about me in order to make this about my person when it could not be about Obama. After lying about my support for Obama you call me a hypocrite and continue your whataboutism. It seems some Christians simply cannot even start to get a hold on what right and wrong is all about.

I will let you continue you lies and your whataboutism supported ideas of hypocrisy. It does a lot to show how weak your case is.

[Mountain Man]

Even if you had a source of me supporting Clinton or whoever, it would still be whataboutism...

I don't even know know what "whataboutism" is even supposed to formally mean. It just seems like any time we point out a clear double-standard, liberals accuse us of "whataboutism" and act like this somehow excuses their blatant hypocrisy. Seriously, if you guys have no problem with credible accusations of rape against Bill Clinton, or Hillary enabling her husband by destroying the lives of his accusers, and have no problem with Obama channeling Vladimir Putin with his handling of the media, then why can't we say we have no problem with Trump having a consensual relationship with a porn star and for banning a reporter from a press conference for trying to embarrass him?

[Charles]

I don't even know know what "whataboutism" is even supposed to formally mean. It just seems like any time we point out a clear double-standard, liberals accuse us of "whataboutism" and act like this somehow excuses their blatant hypocrisy. Seriously, if you guys have no problem with credible accusations of rape against Bill Clinton, or Hillary enabling her husband by destroying the lives of his accusers, and have no problem with Obama channeling Vladimir Putin with his handling of the media, then why can't we say we have no problem with Trump having a consensual relationship with a porn star and for banning a reporter from a press conference for trying to embarrass him?

So there is even more whataboutism. There are no topics that cannot be discussed but the interesting thing is you seem to always want to bring them into discussion when it fits in order to cover up what is going on today with the current president. I don't care too much about Obama's or Hillary's shortcommings. None of them are presidents today. And as I have pointed out repeatedly, I did not support Obama or Hillary and I did not post on tweb when he was president (the fact you all keep ignoring this is so funny, since it shows you cannot really adress the situation as it actually is) so your precondition for double standards simply does not exist. Now you seem to indicate I have no problem with accusations of rape and whatever. This is getting so much of a bad joke and follows the ad hominem and whataboutism line. It is a clear indication that you lack substance when you aim that low.

And you are free to say that you have no problem with the fact that Trump had a relation with a porn star and thus was unfaithful to his third wife. He actually also had an afair with yet another porn star but I suppose you also have no problem with that. I allow myself to wonder how this is in line with the family values you supposedly support, but as I have noted before it seems most moral standards have become relative to what others have also done when you discuss with quite many Christians.

[rogue06]

I don't even know know what "whataboutism" is even supposed to formally mean.

Whataboutism: A transparent and lame attempt to excuse the weapons grade hypocrisy of the left when they ignored, accepted or even applauded considerably worse behavior on the part of their leadership that now induces screeching and screaming about lesser incidents on the part of those outside their circle will lead to Armageddon.

[Mountain Man]

Whataboutism: A transparent and lame attempt to excuse the weapons grade hypocrisy of the left when they ignored, accepted or even applauded considerably worse behavior on the part of their leadership that now induces screeching and screaming about lesser incidents on the part of those outside their circle will lead to Armageddon.

If anything, liberals should be applauding the fact that Trump appears to have significantly dialed back the totalitarian tendencies of his predecessor.

[oxmixmudd]

Really. So banning a rude reporter from one press conference is somehow worse than subjecting them to retaliatory IRS audits or threatening them with jail time?

Yeah, OK.

It should obvious the context of that statement is far broader than the thread topic. Not sure why you were not able to catch that, but hey, now you know.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

I don't even know know what "whataboutism" is even supposed to formally mean. It just seems like any time we point out a clear double-standard, liberals accuse us of "whataboutism" and act like this somehow excuses their blatant hypocrisy. Seriously, if you guys have no problem with credible accusations of rape against Bill Clinton, or Hillary enabling her husband by destroying the lives of his accusers, and have no problem with Obama channeling Vladimir Putin with his handling of the media, then why can't we say we have no problem with Trump having a consensual relationship with a porn star and for banning a reporter from a press conference for trying to embarrass him?

How about we cut the moral deferment policy for our favorite politician and act like we believe in the words of Christ and acknowledge everything you just mentioned is wrong?

[Mountain Man]

I'm willing to hold all of them to the same standard. How about you?

[lilpixieofterror]

How about we cut the moral deferment policy for our favorite politician and act like we believe in the words of Christ and acknowledge everything you just mentioned is wrong?

[oxmixmudd]

I'm willing to hold all of them to the same standard. How about you?

Since when have I not?

Jim

[Mountain Man]

Since when have I not?

Ever since you claimed that what Trump did to this one reporter is somehow worse than Obama's borderline criminal treatment of the media.

[oxmixmudd]

Ever since you claimed that what Trump did to this one reporter is somehow worse than Obama's borderline criminal treatment of the media.

MM, I explained the specific comment that Trump is much worse that Obama or Hillary was in a much broader context that this specific event. I also said you should have been able to figure that out.

However, on the issue of the press and comparisons of Trump to others, while I recognize that the trend both with Clinton and Obama was to try to hit back at Fox in specific, And I recognize that it was WRONG of them to do so, I do see something worse in the broad term with Trump. And that is a concerted attack on the Truth, with a good bit of it aimed at discrediting ALL media sources except for Fox. It began with the attempt to pretend Trumps inauguration crowd was larger than Obama's, which was first juvenile and second simply false. They claimed to have 'their own facts' - which in this case was simply a made up story that made Trump happy that day. There is something fundamentally wrong with trying to pretend the Truth is not the Truth and then convince everybody else that follows you the Truth is not the Truth that goes way beyond anything I've seen in any president before Trump.

That first act of redefining truth has set the stage for all that has followed. The fact Trump and his administration can tell such a bald faced lie and stick to it has defined his presidency as the presidency of lies and half-truths. And he will forever be seen that way, and no legitimate source of news, however conservative or liberal, will ever accept anything that is said by this president at face value. And neither will I. He has shown himself to be the Liar in Chief. And he and his staff have never recanted or walked back from that position.

And it continues. HE lied about payoffs for affairs. And it appears he lied about knowledge of the Trump tower meeting. Every day he lies.

And it boggles the mind you can't grasp how fundamentally wrong that is, and how it goes beyond what has been done before in terms of trying to spin stories in the Presidents favor. Or as to just how low the character of the President can go.

Back when Clinton was about to be impeached, everybody on the conservative side, especially the evangelicals, kept saying "See - CHARACTER MATTERS". Now that Trump is around everybody that is Conservative side, including o so many evagelicals, says "CHARACTER DOESN'T MATTER". It is hypocritical and wrong and has no place in the Christian community.

Jim