If the thousands marching from Honduras despite the Mexican Army trying to stop them would actually use that pressure on their own government they wouldn't have to leave their country. They need to use that crowd and determination to make changes in their own government.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostLooks like Trump's policy ofseparating families and losing their kidsactually enforcing the laws on the books hasn't acted as the deterrent he claimed it would be.
Perhaps if you'd pay more attention to actual events, and were less interested in playing 'gotcha', you wouldn't look so foolish.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNever claimed it was.
I'm always amused when non-Christians pretend to know what God is going to ask on judgment day.
But apparently they can be waved, ignored, or even have behavior that contradicts them defended without consequence if it achieves the desired political policies.
The reason that many (most?) evangelicals have lost the moral high ground is because they abandoned it - as measured by their own moral framework. They were willing to compromise their ethics to achieve a desired political/social outcome. That's not new, mind you - it's just so much more amazingly evident today, in the record-setting approval levels this vile human being has achieved among both Republicans and evangelicals - and the almost complete silence when Trump again violates simple, conventional, moral norms.
I haven't seen a single evangelical person here, or even online in any venue, challenge Pat Robertson's comment about the murder of the journalist and the $100B trade at risk.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOh don't get me wrong - I don't think judgement day is ever going to happen.
The question was posed from the Christian worldview perspective. I am continually told how god's moral framework is "absolute" and all will be judged against it. I am told what that moral framework is and what it requires and says - and it is claimed to be unambiguous. Lying is wrong. Killing is wrong. Taking the name of god in vain is wrong. None of these are debatable (apparently).
But apparently they can be waved, ignored, or even have behavior that contradicts them defended without consequence if it achieves the desired political policies.
The reason that many (most?) evangelicals have lost the moral high ground is because they abandoned it - as measured by their own moral framework. They were willing to compromise their ethics to achieve a desired political/social outcome. That's not new, mind you - it's just so much more amazingly evident today, in the record-setting approval levels this vile human being has achieved among both Republicans and evangelicals - and the almost complete silence when Trump again violates simple, conventional, moral norms.
I'm sure you'd want to check his credentials first, before allowing him to save your home.
I haven't seen a single evangelical person here, or even online in any venue, challenge Pat Robertson's comment about the murder of the journalist and the $100B trade at risk.
Happy?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
I haven't seen a single evangelical person here, or even online in any venue, challenge Pat Robertson's comment about the murder of the journalist and the $100B trade at risk.
That said, Pat Robertson is kind of an end times nut, isn't he? I don't even know what comment you are referring to. I never listen to Robertson.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMaybe because this is the wrong thread? This thread is about immigration, not the journalist.
That said, Pat Robertson is kind of an end times nut, isn't he? I don't even know what comment you are referring to. I never listen to Robertson.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm always amused when non-Christians pretend to know what God is going to ask on judgment day.Last edited by Charles; 10-22-2018, 11:56 AM.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThe fact we don't believe the Bible does not mean we do not know what it says.
That is why some of us wonder at times why some of those who actually claim to believe seemingly do not know what it says.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNor does claiming something nutty prove that you do.
You're doing that nanny thing, Charles.I'm always amused when non-Christians pretend to know what God is going to ask on judgment day.
Anyway, this is perhaps going of topic in the opinion of some readers, but in my opinion it is very much on topic when discussing the family separations which I have no problem claiming contradicts the fundamental message of Jesus on how we should treat each other.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThere is no more nanny to that than your statement thatThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was having a conversation with a friend -- you butted in to nanny, uninvited, as you often do.I am Punkinhead.
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostTime for Chuck's car?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYes, I knew you were being disingenuous.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostExcept killing. Murder is wrong, killing can be argued.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWho's doing that?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostActually, it was a delicate balancing act, wherein one party was most certainly for the murder of innocent unborn babies, and the other wasn't. They were both, to me, really bad choices, but one was less bad.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat in NO WAY implies I approve of Trump's moral character, any more than allowing a firefighter to fight the fire at my home - though he was otherwise a moral reprobate - proves that I approve of his morals (or lack thereof).
I'm sure you'd want to check his credentials first, before allowing him to save your home.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPat Robertson says some really nutty things.
Happy?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMaybe because this is the wrong thread? This thread is about immigration, not the journalist.
That said, Pat Robertson is kind of an end times nut, isn't he? I don't even know what comment you are referring to. I never listen to Robertson.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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