Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[Roy]

As usual, Republican polices are atrociously inefficient financially...

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And about 10 times what it would cost to put them in a motel - making those costs suspicious.

[Starlight]

And about 10 times what it would cost to put them in a motel - making those costs suspicious.

Which part of private prison companies overcharging on no-bid government contracts given to them by their friends in government is suspicious?

To be fair, those costs do cover medical professionals, guards, teachers etc. It's not just the cost of a room like you'd be paying for in a motel.

[carpedm9587]

No.

Of course you concur because you make the same mistake and take Trump literally, but not figuratively.

That meme is a load of BS. So we're to judge Trump differently because he supposedly speaks figuratively? Sorry, Pix, but that won't fly. It's a right-wing mechanism for closing a blind eye to Trump's ceaseless lies.

Why mention it?

I'll take that as a "no."

ETA: In answer to your question, I brought up the problem of people polarizing to their "side" of the political divide because I believe it is a major problem that should be hauled into the light. You will note the entire sentence was about the general state of affairs - not you specifically. If you took it as about you personally, then you misinterpreted my meaning.

Briebart is no more partisan than MSNBC, CNN, buzzfeed, Vox, Salon, or the other dozens of news sites out there. The problem is they are not partisan in the correct direction.

Actually, they are. Brietbart is the right wing equivalent of left wing outlets like MotherJones and Jezebel. Fox is about at par with CNN. Vox, Salon, and Buzzfeed hover somewhere between Fox and Breitbart. MSNBC hovers somewhere between CNN and "center," but closer to CNN. My personal cut-off is Fox on the right and CNN on the left. I seldom go to the others because the work required to filter through their partisanship is simply more work than I want to put in. I know I have to filter through partisanship with Fox and CNN, but not as badly. Same thing with the Washington Post (leans left) and Wall Street Journal (leans right). I find it important to know the leaning when you read an article from a particular source so you can be alert to partisanship in the choice of words and specific information presented. It's why, when I find an article from the left, I look for a corresponding article from the right. Allsides.com is an excellent source for helping with that.

When it comes to fact checks, it's a bit harder. If the fact check is associated with a publican, the leaning of that publication rules and the same process can be used. If the fact check is independent, then the only real avenue available is to spot-check their reporting and look for left/right key words. I also look at the various ranking sites (allsides, MBFC) to see if they are consistently ranking them.

I recognize that many of you on the right are in the "trust no one" mode, except your own selected media outlets, of course. I am not. I trust most media outlets (in the window I listed above) to report accurately and correct their reporting when they get it wrong. The closer to the center, the more I trust. The closer to Fox and CNN, the more I trust-but-verify.

[Mountain Man]

What crimine did the children do? Some of them may not even see their parents again because those who were so concerned with the law were less concerned about making sure families could unite again. And I assume you did not see the video since you would know better if you had done so.

A good lesson for parents to remember that if they break the law, then it's very likely that their children, too, will suffer the consequences.

Simple solution: don't break the law.

[Mountain Man]

I'll simply refer you once again to the example cited in the opening post where some-one had their child taken from them despite doing nothing illegal.

Having reread the OP, I'm not seeing any specific examples, but as a general note, it is illegal to enter the US without the proper authorization, so to say that someone entering the country illegally was "doing nothing illegal" is based in either ignorance or dishonesty.

[Mountain Man]

So if someone breaks the law by claiming to be a king, we should not turn a blind and eye and they must suffer the consequences?

I suppose in your theological ignorance you think this describes Jesus, but I suppose you forget that Jesus was never found guilty of breaking any law; even the false witnesses paid off by the Jewish leaders couldn't keep their story straight.



And Roman authority could find no reason to condemn him.

[Charles]

A good lesson for parents to remember that if they break the law, then it's very likely that their children, too, will suffer the consequences.

Simple solution: don't break the law.

So once again you turn your blind eye to the innocent children and their situation and thus you are not really answering the question. And now don't follow up with a responce pointing to the good material conditions provided for these kids while they are forced to suffer tremendeous psychological pain. That is also turning your blind eye to the real problem.

[Mountain Man]

So once again you turn your blind eye to the innocent children and their situation and thus you are not really answering the question. And now don't follow up with a responce pointing to the good material conditions provided for these kids while they are forced to suffer tremendeous psychological pain. That is also turning your blind eye to the real problem.

There is a fundamental disagreement concerning what the "real problem" is.

I stated my solution in the very second post of this thread: people show up at the border trying to enter the country illegally; you turn them around and send them back home. I read another solution elsewhere that the US should stop taking any asylum requests at the border and that this should be handled by the embassies in each country. Show up at the border and ask for asylum? Sorry, we don't do that here. Go back to your embassy. This way, they can remain in their homes as a family while their claim is being processed.

[Sparko]

So once again you turn your blind eye to the innocent children and their situation and thus you are not really answering the question. And now don't follow up with a responce pointing to the good material conditions provided for these kids while they are forced to suffer tremendeous psychological pain. That is also turning your blind eye to the real problem.

What about the innocent children who died in the desert because their parents dragged them here without food and water?

[Littlejoe]

What about the innocent children who died in the desert because their parents dragged them here without food and water?

Or that they were sent here by themselves to start with. Yesterday on CBS Evening News it was reported that DHS Director Nielsen claims that 10,000 of the 12,000 being held were sent here alone.

[Charles]

There is a fundamental disagreement concerning what the "real problem" is.

Right. We agree on that. And in my opinion there is a responsibility to take into account the suffering caused to innocent children even if you think other factors speak in favour of the politics.

Some people have drawn upon them the responsibility of separating children from their parents in worst case forever. They have no doubt in any case caused extreme psychological pain.

Anyone only looking at the law in this context is halfway blind at best.

[Sparko]

There is a fundamental disagreement concerning what the "real problem" is.

I stated my solution in the very second post of this thread: people show up at the border trying to enter the country illegally; you turn them around and send them back home. I read another solution elsewhere that the US should stop taking any asylum requests at the border and that this should be handled by the embassies in each country. Show up at the border and ask for asylum? Sorry, we don't do that here. Go back to your embassy. This way, they can remain in their homes as a family while their claim is being processed.

That is pretty much how most legal immigration and asylum works. You contact the consulate of the country you want to immigrate to and fill out some forms and wait for an interview.

[Mountain Man]

And in my opinion there is a responsibility to take into account the suffering caused to innocent children...

Such as being subjected to the dangers of a desert crossing on foot without adequate shelter, food, and water?

[One Bad Pig]

Or that they were sent here by themselves to start with. Yesterday on CBS Evening News it was reported that DHS Director Nielsen claims that 10,000 of the 12,000 being held were sent here alone.

My great grandfather emigrated here from Germany by himself when he was 13. Jews celebrate becoming adults at 13. IIRC, most of the children being held are teenagers.

[Roy]

I'll simply refer you once again to the example cited in the opening post where some-one had their child taken from them despite doing nothing illegal.

Having reread the OP, I'm not seeing any specific examples, but as a general note, it is illegal to enter the US without the proper authorization, so to say that someone entering the country illegally was "doing nothing illegal" is based in either ignorance or dishonesty.

The ignorance and dishonesty is yours, since you haven't reread the cited articles, and are mischaracterising my comment.