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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostRight. Trump institutes a policy of separating kids from parents and magically it's the "Democrats" who don't care about kids , and the Dems that "manufactured" the crisis.
Come on, MM. Give your arguments a little thought...?
I posted this earlier, an article that hypocritically attempts to defend Obama while criticizing Trump:
https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/...amilies-too-2/
Then there's the 2013 story from HuffPo begging Obama to stop separating families:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4371244
A Democrat representative recently admitted that this "crisis" was kept quiet when Obama was in office:
https://ijr.com/2018/06/1103949-henr...migrant-obama/
And it was Obama's policies and not Trump's that forced children to sleep in literal cages, and we have the pictures and video to prove it even if the left attempted to falsely pin the blame on Trump:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...backfires.html
By all accounts, the migrant children at the border under Trump are significantly better off than homeless US citizens.
No, but go ahead and do your "the facts don't matter" two-step. All that matters is "getting" Trump, right?Last edited by Mountain Man; 06-20-2018, 08:15 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostReally? Where is that documented?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostHmm...so...are these people entering through UN sanctioned channels, or are they just walking across the border to claim asylum? If the latter, I can see how it would be hard to tell them apart from those entering illegally, at least at first. I'm not sure this makes the case that "legally entering families" are being separated.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Anyone remember these same people complaining about Trump abusing his executive powers and getting Federal Judges to block him when he wanted to temporarily stop immigration from the middle east?
Back then it was an abuse of power for Trump to do any such thing. It was up to congress to make the laws!
But now, congress says it's too HARD to make laws! They need the President to use his pen! WAAAAAAH!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnyone remember these same people complaining about Trump abusing his executive powers and getting Federal Judges to block him when he wanted to temporarily stop immigration from the middle east?
Back then it was an abuse of power for Trump to do any such thing. It was up to congress to make the laws!
But now, congress says it's too HARD to make laws! They need the President to use his pen! WAAAAAAH!Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Roy View Post"seeking protection at ports of entry"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe Associated Press is now reporting that the Trump administration is operating 3 baby-prison facilities in Texas and plans to open a 4th.
"Tender age" facilities... gotta admire their Orwellian terms for baby prisons.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPublishing pictures from a period when a tide of unaccompanied children temporarily overwhelmed immigration facilities as if they are equivalent to explicit, intentional separation of families is not just disingenuous, it is dishonest and a flat out lie. You should know better, Rogue.
I know each party wants to show itself in the best possible light and undermine the opposition - but such bald-faced lies are not worthy of a person that calls themselves "Christian." Are we really at a point where politics precedes ethics?
And the policies are the SAME! It is the LAW!! They don't just make up what they do on the fly. Nothing has changed, despite you trying your best to spin it, Carp (and Tassman)
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You people in non-bordering states Like Carp and non-bordering countries such as England, New Zealand and Australia, live in a fantasy world with no idea of the impact these illegals cause on our states. Homes are burglarized by illegal immigrants as they come in because usually, they are broke and hungry. They steal money, jewelry, and food. They take jobs, and send the money back to their families. SOMETHING HAS to be done to slow this down. If putting them in jail and therefore separating them from their kids from them when they get caught helps, then so be it. It's really easy to sit in the cheap seats and boo, it's a lot harder when you have to live with it daily.
These illegals are also often exploited shamelessly. I know there was a man caught in the Dallas area who was using illegals in his landscape business. He paid them minimum wage but would work them 80+ hours a week but never paid time and a half for OT, only straight time. THEN, he bought used mobile homes and forced all his workers to rent from him...he would put 8 to a trailer and charge them $300/month each (taken out of their pay). No electricity or running water. My co-worker here served on the jury of the owner of the company. (He was convicted and sentenced to prison!)"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostYou people in non-bordering states Like Carp and non-bordering countries such as England, New Zealand and Australia, live in a fantasy world with no idea of the impact these illegals cause on our states. Homes are burglarized by illegal immigrants as they come in because usually, they are broke and hungry. They steal money, jewelry, and food. They take jobs, and send the money back to their families. SOMETHING HAS to be done to slow this down. If putting them in jail and therefore separating them from their kids from them when they get caught helps, then so be it. It's really easy to sit in the cheap seats and boo, it's a lot harder when you have to live with it daily.
These illegals are also often exploited shamelessly. I know there was a man caught in the Dallas area who was using illegals in his landscape business. He paid them minimum wage but would work them 80+ hours a week but never paid time and a half for OT, only straight time. THEN, he bought used mobile homes and forced all his workers to rent from him...he would put 8 to a trailer and charge them $300/month each (taken out of their pay). No electricity or running water. My co-worker here served on the jury of the owner of the company. (He was convicted and sentenced to prison!)
BOTH sides are playing political football with people's lives. It makes me sick.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostHave you read the article? Their "proof" that these sites lean left is that they gave Trump the "pants on fire" rating more frequently than Clinton. Not exactly proof, since it is fairly evident that Trump lies on a regular basis. Capital Research, it turns out, is a conservative think tank, so it is not particularly surprising that they would take issue with fact-checkers when their own party is more commonly held to account.
I have chased enough of the "facts" behind the fact-checker posts to have a fairly high confidence-level in their accuracy.
One of the worst things, IMO, that Trump has done as president is to take the right-wing meme of "you can't trust the media" mainstream. We live in a democracy. The fourth estate is the watchdog of that democracy, giving us an eye into what our government is doing. None of us has the time to do that digging. They should be called into account when they are found to have abused their role, and most are honestly self-correcting when they make an error. Time after time, news outlets have fired people, disciplined people, and published retractions when they jumped too quickly on a story and got it wrong. (Well, most news outlets. There are several that simply do not do that, or do it grudgingly).
But each an every error is jumped on as if it's part of a global conspiracy against the right. When you undermine the watchdog of democracy, you undermine democracy itself. You leave us with only one source of news about the activities of the government: the government itself. That is a nasty place to be.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-20-2018, 09:43 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIf you would have read the article you would have noticed their issue with the truth-o-meter has no scientific bases and is mostly opinion.
When an opinion is about a "fact," it can be objectively assessed. It may be Trump's "opinion" that he won by the "greatest landslide in the history of the presidency," but that "opinion" does not pass scrutiny, since his electoral win places him 46th out of 58 elections. So..."pants on fire." Trump has made MANY such claims, none of which pass the sniff test for "truth."
You opinion is duly noted...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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This is an opinion piece, and the Washington Post is categorized as "left-of-center" but with a high level of accuracy in their reporting and a World Press Freedom Rank of 45/180. I frankly have no idea what that latter ranking means, given that I thought the World Press Freedom Index was about countries. If someone knows, I'd love to learn.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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