Mueller's investigation, one year in

[Starlight]

By this can we assume that your grudgingly acknowledge that the Trump-Russian collusion narrative has been ripped to shreds?

I imagine Tass, like myself, considers it well and truly proven from the evidence already in the public sphere.

From the evidence that is public, the question is not whether the Trump team colluded with many and various countries, including Russia, the question is only to what extent they will be punished for it. Will Mueller's team issue 1000 indictments and send everyone involved to prison for life, or will he just give a James Comey-esque speech saying "naughty, naughty. Bad things were done." and then the Republican congress will refuse to impeach because they're Republican and don't believe in justice?

[Tassman]

I imagine Tass, like myself, considers it well and truly proven from the evidence already in the public sphere.

Of course it is. There is ample evidence already available, and one can only guess at what Mueller already knows, but we can reasonably assume it's a hell of a lot. Trump obviously thinks so given his desperate attempts to shut the whole thing down, aided and abetted by Nunes, his loyal little errand boy.

[Juvenal]

And have yet to, as far as I can tell, found anything actually implicating Trump himself.

Now, like I've said, it's completely possible he's found stuff on Trump that he's making a point to keep under wraps for now, and he's waited on accusing Trump of anything because he wants to make sure he has everything he can in order to wind up for the knockout punch. But until that occurs, I see little reason to find the claim of deliberate Russian collusion by Trump to be more credible than it was before the investigation. Particularly because the media has cried wolf on this so many times.

That is hilarious. They have been looking for anything to implicate Trump for over a year now and your theory is that they actually HAVE evidence but have chosen NOT to reveal it?

Have you been smoking some JimL weed?

The campaign was clearly dirty, with Manafort reaching out within the first two weeks to his favorite oligarch to get whole after burying something like $20 million of OVD's money in a poor investment.

Gates was caught up in the same net.

These are folks that look you up ten years later, in your own country, to slip nerve agents into your sushi, or just smear them onto your doorknob.

Not the kind of pals you want to owe money to.

And it's not like the Russians weren't chumming the waters for anyone they could get.

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Not on Putin's right hand, like Flynn, but yeah, that's Jill Stein.

Trump himself, I dunno. I can't imagine any intelligence agency willingly getting into bed with an erratic buffoon, but yeah, that's Jill Stein. At the very least, judging by nothing more than his aversion to act on the Russian sanctions passed overwhelming by the Congress, he's been captured, in some sense. And then there's his curious amnesia regarding Felix Sater.

The silence from Mueller doesn't figure into anything yet. Until his interview with Trump is in the box, we have to figure that if he has anything on Trump, it would be a sad day for any agent under him who let that information leak out.

Not that we know he's got anything, but these repeated denials based on a lack of leakage are poorly thought out, and unusual, to me in any case. It's not like TWeb hasn't seen plenty of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" arguments in other forums.

[Starlight]

Some fitting cartoons out this week...

[Mountain Man]

So, if Obama had done everything that Trump has done you would have been just as supportive of Obama.

All other things being equal, yes. My opposition to Obama had nothing at all to do with the color of his skin.

[Mountain Man]

Gates was caught up in the same net.

There's that name again, Deripaska. I've mentioned this before, but you now who else has ties to Deripaska?

Guess.

Go on, guess.






It's Robert Mueller.

Source: Mueller may have a conflict � and it leads directly to a Russian oligarch

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ssian-oligarch

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It's worth noting that businessmen don't spend millions of their own money without expecting a return on their investment. What do you suppose Mueller gave to Deripaska?

Also, when FBI agents approached Deripaska shortly after the election and explained their Russian collusion conspiracy theory, Deripaska laughed in their face and told them, "You are trying to create something out of nothing."

[Juvenal]

What do you suppose Mueller gave to Deripaska?

The answer is in the 2013 Times story linked in the Hill op/ed: Law enforcement visas, though he was cooperating in hopes of seeing his visa status cleared. State, under Hillary, refused, maintaining that he's a mobster.

Also, when FBI agents approached Deripaska shortly after the election and explained their Russian collusion conspiracy theory, Deripaska laughed in their face and told them, "You are trying to create something out of nothing."

About the same response he gives when asked if he's a mobster.

[Mountain Man]

More evidence of Russian collusion.

Unfortunately for liberals, this is not the collusion you're looking for.

Source: Russian Lobbyist at Trump Jr. Meeting Admits Personal Relationship with Hillary Clinton, Campaign Staffers

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...aign-staffers/

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[carpedm9587]

Mueller may have a new cooperating witness.

[Mountain Man]

The Russians made him do it.

[Starlight]

Mueller may have a new cooperating witness.

People who knew Cohen said his loyalty level to anyone other than self was less than zero, so this is hardly surprising.

[carpedm9587]

People who knew Cohen said his loyalty level to anyone other than self was less than zero, so this is hardly surprising.

Sounds like Flynn Jr.

[Starlight]

Sounds like Flynn Jr.

Strangely, the level of altruism among criminals isn't very high.

[Tassman]

Strangely, the level of altruism among criminals isn't very high.

As we see with Trump, it's all about him. Always!