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  • #31
    This is probably Trump's true legacy of his Presidency. He has, now and forever, cemented the United States reputation as completely unreliable in international agreements, subject to any whimsical change after the next election cycle.

    I see other bad actors on the international stage using this opportunity (they'd be stupid not to)- ergo Putin, Assad, Erdogan, Duterte etc will use this decision as justification to ignore treaties and agreements to further their own autocratic agenda (eg the, "What we're doing is no different than what America is doing" defense).

    Can you Muppets stop winning please? You're ruining the world for everyone else

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    • #32
      Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
      This is probably Trump's true legacy of his Presidency. He has, now and forever, cemented the United States reputation as completely unreliable in international agreements, subject to any whimsical change after the next election cycle.

      I see other bad actors on the international stage using this opportunity (they'd be stupid not to)- ergo Putin, Assad, Erdogan, Duterte etc will use this decision as justification to ignore treaties and agreements to further their own autocratic agenda (eg the, "What we're doing is no different than what America is doing" defense).

      Can you Muppets stop winning please? You're ruining the world for everyone else
      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
        settle the case. The settlement was to pay back the $400 million with accrued interest (totaling $1.7 billion). This potentially saved the US ~$8 billion if the tribunal had given Iran the compensation it was seeking.

        As Jim says, it was pretty much a win-win situation for the US, as they avoided penalties that could have amounted to $8 billion, and finally resolving the dispute put the Iranians in a good mood and they released some US hostages.
        Yes, definitely satire, because otherwise you would have to be a moron to think that paying a $1.7 billion ransom to a terrorist state while brokering a worthless, one-sided, unenforceable treaty is a win for the US.
        Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-09-2018, 08:10 AM.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #34
          Yep. Obama attempted an end-run around the Constitution by calling it an "agreement" even though it was a treaty in all but name only, and shame on Congress for letting him get away with it, but maybe we should be thankful, because you're right to say that the US was never legally bound to uphold it which made it possible for Trump to get us out of that mess.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #35
            Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            Boeing to lose 20 billion dollars worth of aircraft sales to Iran because sanctions reimposed.

            All because Obama is black.
            I think it's more that Obama belittled Trump at the National Correspondents Dinner. You could see the smoke coming out of his ears at the time. So regardless of the countries best interests Trump is doing his best to destroy Obama's legacy. That's the kind of vengeful character Trump is.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              It was also because Obama made fun of Trump in front of everyone at a White House correspondents dinner. Trump was utterly enraged, and I think his hatred of Obama and desire to destroy everything Obama achieved largely comes from that evening (and it's also why Trump refuses to attend any White House correspondents dinners now). Previously he was just a run of the mill racist, but that evening made it personal for him.
              Ooops, I see you beat me to it, star. Sorry.
              Last edited by JimL; 05-09-2018, 08:48 AM.

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              • #37
                Perhaps you should open your ears and eyes and recognize that the majority republican congress was not going to work with the President on anything, leaving him little choice but to get things done in any way that he could. If some dip stick republican is then elected and decides to rip up those deals then that's the way it goes. The american people get what they deserve!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                  settle the case. The settlement was to pay back the $400 million with accrued interest (totaling $1.7 billion). This potentially saved the US ~$8 billion if the tribunal had given Iran the compensation it was seeking.

                  As Jim says, it was pretty much a win-win situation for the US, as they avoided penalties that could have amounted to $8 billion, and finally resolving the dispute put the Iranians in a good mood and they released some US hostages.
                  Let's look at some other facts...

                  "The Obama administration [...] acknowledged the cash was used as leverage until the Americans were allowed to leave Iran."

                  So Obama flat-out admitted that the money was a ransom payment to a terrorist state. Also, he never told us the whole story.

                  Source: The Story of Obama's Ransom Payment to Iran Gets Worse

                  Iranhttps://mosaicmagazine.com/observati...an-gets-worse/

                  © Copyright Original Source


                  Finally, John Kerry admitted that at least some of the money would find its way into the hands of terrorists.




                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    It was also because Obama made fun of Trump in front of everyone at a White House correspondents dinner. Trump was utterly enraged, and I think his hatred of Obama and desire to destroy everything Obama achieved largely comes from that evening (and it's also why Trump refuses to attend any White House correspondents dinners now). Previously he was just a run of the mill racist, but that evening made it personal for him.


                    Not everyone is as vindictively hateful as you (and Tassman and JimL, apparently) are. Trump's utter disdain for the press is more than sufficient to explain his refusal to attend the aforesaid event. And perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the Paris Accords and the Iran deal weren't exactly embraced by the Republicans in general from the get-go. Imagination-fueled posts like this are why I don't take you seriously in any sort of political discussion.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      Perhaps you should open your ears and eyes and recognize that the majority republican congress was not going to work with the President on anything, leaving him little choice but to get things done in any way that he could. If some dip stick republican is then elected and decides to rip up those deals then that's the way it goes. The american people get what they deserve!
                      Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 05-09-2018, 09:32 AM.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post


                        Not everyone is as vindictively hateful as you (and Tassman and JimL, apparently) are. Trump's utter disdain for the press is more than sufficient to explain his refusal to attend the aforesaid event. And perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the Paris Accords and the Iran deal weren't exactly embraced by the Republicans in general from the get-go. Imagination-fueled posts like this are why I don't take you seriously in any sort of political discussion.
                        No, Trump knows that the Correspondents Dinner is a roast, and, fascist autocrat that he is, he can't take criticism. Simple as that. And perhaps you didn't notice but nothing Obama did was exactly embraced by Republicans in general from the get go.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post


                          Not everyone is as vindictively hateful as you (and Tassman and JimL, apparently) are. Trump's utter disdain for the press is more than sufficient to explain his refusal to attend the aforesaid event. And perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the Paris Accords and the Iran deal weren't exactly embraced by the Republicans in general from the get-go. Imagination-fueled posts like this are why I don't take you seriously in any sort of political discussion.
                          Plus getting out of the Paris and Iran agreements were major platforms of Trump's campaign, so it's stupid to suggest that this was a snap decision because Trump was grumpy about the correspondents dinner. Ironically, some on the left had previously attempted to drive a wedge between the President and his base by criticizing him for not making good on his promise sooner!
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            No, Trump knows that the Correspondents Dinner is a roast, and, fascist autocrat that he is, he can't take criticism. Simple as that. And perhaps you didn't notice but nothing Obama did was exactly embraced by Republicans in general from the get go.
                            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                            • #44
                              Lilpix, would you please stop listening to Alex Jones!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                Lilpix, would you please stop listening to Alex Jones!
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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