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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAll other things being equal, we're on the same page. Our disagreement seems to primarily concern who we think it is acceptable to vote for. Your characterization of Trump is, in my opinion, ill-informed and mean-spirited,
but I'm not going to judge you for it, and in the same spirit, I would caution you not to judge others simply because they disagree with your opinion. It's a nasty political trick to question someone's faithfulness to Christ because you think they voted for the "wrong" person.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostOkay. I feel like the evidence is in my favor but one could go another way, I suppose.
If I'm wrong, I think you should judge me for it. Isn't that part of our job as Christians? To sometimes ask other Christians, "What the heck are doing? You're supposed to be a disciple." Again, my politics and my faith aren't in separate baskets and don't get separate consideration. There shouldn't be a divide between my faith in Christ in church, at work, or, imo, in the voting booth.
fwiw,
guacamole
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We're supporting the person whose policies we believed (and believe) would be best for the country.
We of course had other options. We could have voted for the baby-killing statist Hillary, who was maybe slightly less flawed in terms of personal morals. We could have voted for a relatively morally shiny third-party candidate who would have no chance of winning, and whose policies we were less in agreement with. We could have written in some hypothetical perfect candidate, again with no actual chance of winning. We could have abstained.
You guys really are in a great position: If a significant number of us had done any of those things, you would have won. As it is, you lost, but you get to sit in judgment of us because we did not live up to YOUR understanding of OUR standards.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostIf I'm wrong, I think you should judge me for it. Isn't that part of our job as Christians?
Although I suppose it would help if you defined exactly what you mean by "judge" since it's one of those words that seems to mean different things to different people. I would especially like to see some scriptural support for your general premise that those who vote for the (in your opinion) "wrong" candidate will be held accountable by God.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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In general, I agree; however, I noted that "as Christians" we have this job, because "as Christians," we supposedly agree to standards of conduct. I feel like I have less ground to critique an atheist who supports someone because we don't have the same moral starting point."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostShow where in the Bible it says that Christians should judge each other. The only verses I can recall off the top of my head are ones that caution us not to judge each other.
Although I suppose it would help if you defined exactly what you mean by "judge" since it's one of those words that seems to mean different things to different people. I would especially like to see some scriptural support for your general premise that those who vote for the (in your opinion) "wrong" candidate will be held accountable by God.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe will judge angels, but are instructed not to judge one another, "lest we be judged".
I just want to know if guac has any scriptural backing to support his claim that God will judge us for who we vote for. I'm also curious about his implied accusation that those of us who don't agree with his politics are guilty of living compartmentalized Christian lives.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat verse is referring to judging someone hypocritically, but then Jesus goes on to say that after you've dealt with your own faults then you can help the other person see clearly, so even that doesn't seem to give us license to condemn each other.
I just want to know if guac has any scriptural backing to support his claim that God will judge us for who we vote for. I'm also curious about his implied accusation that those of us who don't agree with his politics are guilty of living compartmentalized Christian lives.
Essentially, we are to be fruit inspectors, not judges of each other. And, yes, we are to be accountable to each other.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostShow where in the Bible it says that Christians should judge each other. The only verses I can recall off the top of my head are ones that caution us not to judge each other.
Although I suppose it would help if you defined exactly what you mean by "judge" since it's one of those words that seems to mean different things to different people. I would especially like to see some scriptural support for your general premise that those who vote for the (in your opinion) "wrong" candidate will be held accountable by God.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBut the Pastor, CP, contradicts your biblical quote with a biblical quote of his own. Which divinely inspired quote are we to believe?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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