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  • #91
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    There are an infinite number of facts in the world. Nobody can know all of them.

    There are numerous international studies on the effects on gun control across nations. There are numerous studies within the US on the effects of gun control among different states. Those many and various studies indicate that gun control reduces gun deaths.

    A stupid person would deny that obvious fact.
    I've seen people say exactly what you say here--but in the opposite direction. Claims need to be more specific than simply vaguely alluding to "studies" because someone can make that exact same claim for the other side of the issue.
    Last edited by Terraceth; 03-07-2018, 08:03 PM.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
      I've seen people say exactly what you say here--but in the opposite direction.
      Sure, in the US the NRA / gun manufacturers / Republican think tanks pay people to lie to you. You've got to be wary of that the same way you should be wary of oil companies etc pay people to lie about climate change and the tobacco companies paying people to lie about lung cancer. The easy way to avoid that is to avoid american studies and look at international studies only because the rest of the Western world doesn't have the level of corruption the US does.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        There are an infinite number of facts in the world. Nobody can know all of them.

        There are numerous international studies on the effects on gun control across nations. There are numerous studies within the US on the effects of gun control among different states. Those many and various studies indicate that gun control reduces gun deaths.
        Than Brazil should be safer, with less gun deaths than the US, but is it?

        A stupid person would deny that obvious fact. A stupid person would claim it isn't the guns and it's the people / particular zones / particular police officers / the time of day / the phase of the moon. Stupid idiots do tend to love denying the science on all sorts of issues from whether the earth is flat, to whether climate change is real, to whether gun control reduces gun deaths, to whether evolution occurred. I generally roll my eyes at them.
        I usually have LPOT on ignore. Periodically I take her off to give her another chance. She generally blows and goes back on ignore pretty quickly.
        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Sure, in the US the NRA / gun manufacturers / Republican think tanks pay people to lie to you. You've got to be wary of that the same way you should be wary of oil companies etc pay people to lie about climate change and the tobacco companies paying people to lie about lung cancer. The easy way to avoid that is to avoid american studies and look at international studies only because the rest of the Western world doesn't have the level of corruption the US does.
          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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          • #95
            Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
            And yet CNN has been caught publishing fake stories.
            Don't go there, FOX has published outright fictions about Seth Rich and the Clinton's.

            We know that the MSN was sending articles to the Clinton campaign for approval.
            Funny, the Trump WH was very interested in FOX pushing the disgusting Seth Rich story. I don't remember the rest of the media every doing anything like that.

            And yet it's only FOX that get access to this president, while Trump refuses any interviews with the rest of the media -- which won't be softballs.

            They are pretty much the infowars of the liberal side.
            Have you ever actually watched InfoWars?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
              Don't go there, FOX has published outright fictions about Seth Rich and the Clinton's.
              Do you see me defending the partisan hacks at Fox? No, but you sure seem interested in defending the hacks over at CNN.

              Funny, the Trump WH was very interested in FOX pushing the disgusting Seth Rich story. I don't remember the rest of the media every doing anything like that.
              And yet it's only FOX that get access to this president, while Trump refuses any interviews with the rest of the media -- which won't be softballs.
              Would you grant interviews to those that lie about you all the time?

              Have you ever actually watched InfoWars?
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • #97
                Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                Do you see me defending the partisan hacks at Fox? No, but you sure seem interested in defending the hacks over at CNN.
                You always have had the ability to assume that if people aren't defending your position, they must be 'in' with the your opposition. Nobody is ever able to simply disagree with your narrative without you shoving words in peoples mouths.

                Would you grant interviews to those that lie about you all the time?
                If I'm president I don't get to ignore 99% of the media because they report the chaos and dysfunction that is my WH -- which is reality.

                I don't know, and don't care because I've never read them even once.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                  You always have had the ability to assume that if people aren't defending your position, they must be 'in' with the your opposition. Nobody is ever able to simply disagree with your narrative without you shoving words in peoples mouths.
                  Is the pot complaining about how black the kettle is?

                  If I'm president I don't get to ignore 99% of the media because they report the chaos and dysfunction that is my WH -- which is reality.
                  I don't know, and don't care because I've never read them even once.
                  So why do I care about infowars?
                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    Do you see me defending the partisan hacks at Fox? No, but you sure seem interested in defending the hacks over at CNN.
                    If Sea of red is defending CNN when he refers to Fox News's misdemeanours, then yes, LPOT is defending the partisan hacks at Fox when she says CNN has published fake stories.
                    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                    MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                    MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                    seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                    • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                      If Sea of red is defending CNN when he refers to Fox News's misdemeanours, then yes, LPOT is defending the partisan hacks at Fox when she says CNN has published fake stories.
                      Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 03-08-2018, 05:43 AM.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • Just your usual inability to recognise your own inability.
                        Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                        MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                        MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                        seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                        • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                          Just your usual inability to recognise your own inability.
                          Yes because calling Fox News anchors political hacks and meat puppets means I am defending them in Roy land. Are you done now daddy Roy or is the part where you act all smug without contributing a thing of merit? Can we just skip to the part where you pretend your right, declare victory, and run away without ever proving a thing you said as being anywhere close to reality?
                          Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 03-08-2018, 08:07 AM.
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                            Yes because calling Fox News anchors political hacks and meat puppets means I am defending them in Roy land.
                            Just your usual inability to understand or address what people actually write.

                            I suggest you get some-one else to explain it to you.
                            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                            • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                              Just your usual inability to understand or address what people actually write.

                              I suggest you get some-one else to explain it to you.
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                              • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                                Little slow on the uptake, eh Roy?
                                No, that'd be you. Cf my current signature.
                                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                                seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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