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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostYou still haven't really explained your reasoning. Obvious to you doesn't mean we get it. Explain exactly why you pick Australia and England instead of Mexico and Brazil? I'm sure you don't m mean to but...you are still coming across as very prejudice IMO and cherry picking.
Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostBecause they make up such a small percentage of the total? Why focus on only those? So far, 349 people died in Chicago from gun violence this year why is there no outcry, no threads about it?
Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostYou read right over my point...it was easy to do, so I don't blame you...I actually said INJURED and killed.
Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostWhat are you using as a criteria for Mass shootings on that site? If you go by the 4 dead minimum then I think your number is off. According to the site you don't trust (CPRC) the US total should be 264 injured, 263 dead for a total of 527. Yes, we have more dead, but that's just coincidence IMO as there were 382 more that were injured in the mass shooting in France for a total of 540. US had
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostYes it is...and mass shootings seem to be driving these discussions, as we don't get "worked up" about gun violence until there's a mass shooting at a school, church, mall, etc.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Freedom necessitates the ability to abuse that freedom. Allowing someone the choice to be armed automatically means that someone can abuse their right.That's what
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post1) Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamoleChicago is literally across the street from Indiana and Indiana's gun laws. In effect, Chicago has no gun laws. Anyone wanting to buy a firearm in Chicago simply needs to go to one of the many Indiana gun shows and do a private seller to private buyer transaction. We regulate fireworks here better than we do firearms.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by guacamoleChicago is literally across the street from Indiana and Indiana's gun laws. In effect, Chicago has no gun laws. Anyone wanting to buy a firearm in Chicago simply needs to go to one of the many Indiana gun shows and do a private seller to private buyer transaction. We regulate fireworks here better than we do firearms."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo Chicago's laws only prohibit the purchase of firearms? Or do they also prohibit the ownership of firearms.
A refresher course on gun ownership in the city, and concealed carry
City residents can own firearms but with several conditions: You must be 21 years old and possess a firearm owner's identification (FOID) card and concealed carry license, both issued by Illinois State Police.
Prior to getting a concealed carry license, residents must complete a 16-hour training course, which includes a gun range test that residents must pass, as well as coursework on gun safety. They are also subject to a background check and must pay a $150 application fee. Applicants may be denied a concealed carry license, or have law enforcement agencies object to their applications, if they have particular criminal convictions.
Those who keep guns in the home must hold only a valid FOID card. Gun owners who carry a firearm outside the home must have an FOID and a concealed carry permit.
So, you can't just cross the state line, buy a gun, and be legal. And, yet ... the murder rate...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postdo you have some data that shows this actually happens?
Here you are,
https://www.cityofchicago.org/conten...er/GTR2017.pdf
"With consistent data trends now going back almost a decade, the majority of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago are traced back to states with less regulation over firearms, such as Indiana and Mississippi: More than two of every five traceable crime guns recovered in Chicago originate with their first point of sale at an Illinois dealer. The remaining 60 percent of firearms come from out of state, with Indiana as the primary source for approximately one out of every five crime guns."
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostChicago is literally across the street from Indiana and Indiana's gun laws. In effect, Chicago has no gun laws. Anyone wanting to buy a firearm in Chicago simply needs to go to one of the many Indian gun shows and do a private seller to private buyer transaction. We regulate fireworks here better than we do firearms.
The point, of course, is that when government enacts prohibitively restrictive gun laws, people will simply acquire their guns illegally. And my guess is, the kids in the "hood" aren't lining up to take their licensing exam, which supports another point, that gun regulation only impacts law abiding citizens.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHere you are,
https://www.cityofchicago.org/conten...er/GTR2017.pdf
"With consistent data trends now going back almost a decade, the majority of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago are traced back to states with less regulation over firearms, such as Indiana and Mississippi: More than two of every five traceable crime guns recovered in Chicago originate with their first point of sale at an Illinois dealer. The remaining 60 percent of firearms come from out of state, with Indiana as the primary source for approximately one out of every five crime guns.""As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOh, I see, so it's Indiana's fault that Chicago's excessively strict gun laws are ineffective."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostSo only one fifth (or one fifth of 60%) actually come from Indiana? and that's with the data including those illegally obtained. As I suspected, not a lot of gangbangers walking over to Indiana to buy guns. Most likely they were bought in bulk from illegal dealers by more centralized gang operations.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostFreedom necessitates the ability to abuse that freedom. Allowing someone the choice to be armed automatically means that someone can abuse their right.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postdo you have some data that shows this actually happens?
https://www.cityofchicago.org/conten...er/GTR2017.pdf
Key points of data is that 60% of the traceable sales of firearms took place outside of Illinois. The overwhelming majority of them took place outside of the city.
Chicago being a key meme example of "failed gun laws," I doubt this data will have any impact.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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