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I don't think this thread should close. LT wants the thread to close because he doesn't want to be called out on his double standards so he wants to end the conversation. Not exactly what the request to close thread is meant for.I am Punkinhead.
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Remember the 13 Russians that Mueller indicted, and how I said they would never appear in court? Turns out I was wrong. Some of them hired lawyers to defend themselves against the accusations
But here's the twist (you knew there was going to be a twist, didn't you?): Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence. The problem is, the accused has a right to see the case against him, but Mueller is claiming that it would expose national security secrets, and so he has asked the judge to keep the evidence hidden.
I don't see how the judge has any choice here but to demand that Mueller either give up the evidence as required by the law, or drop all charges.
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But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Way to go with the maximum spin MM!
Mueller's submission is interesting because it says:
1. There are still Russian operatives actively continuing to try to manipulate election outcomes in the US to this day.
2. Mueller plans to indict further people for election manipulation.
As to MM's gratuitous spin, it's not that Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence to the court to prove the defendant guilty, it's that Mueller doesn't want to give all the evidence to the defendents' lawyers months in advance of the case getting to court. Mueller's simply asking to hold off on making the evidence public until the case actually gets to court because there's information in the evidence that Mueller's going to use to indict further people in the meantime.Last edited by Starlight; 06-12-2018, 10:31 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWay to go with the maximum spin MM!
Mueller's submission is interesting because it says:
1. There are still Russian operatives actively continuing to try to manipulate election outcomes in the US to this day.
2. Mueller plans to indict further people for election manipulation.
As to MM's gratuitous spin, it's not that Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence to the court to prove the defendant guilty, it's that Mueller doesn't want to give all the evidence to the defendents' lawyers months in advance of the case getting to court. Mueller's simply asking to hold off on making the evidence public until the case actually gets to court because there's information in the evidence that Mueller's going to use to indict further people in the meantime.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Postwas he grandstanding and showboating trying to pretend he had something when he didn't?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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So you're going with completely inept then, dude.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo you're going with completely inept then"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRemember the 13 Russians that Mueller indicted, and how I said they would never appear in court? Turns out I was wrong. Some of them hired lawyers to defend themselves against the accusations
But here's the twist (you knew there was going to be a twist, didn't you?): Mueller doesn't want to show the evidence. The problem is, the accused has a right to see the case against him, but Mueller is claiming that it would expose national security secrets, and so he has asked the judge to keep the evidence hidden.
I don't see how the judge has any choice here but to demand that Mueller either give up the evidence as required by the law, or drop all charges.
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I like how Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed FBI director by Bush, and now appointed special counsel by one of Trump's own Republican appointees, has somehow turned into a "Democrat" in the minds of Trump and Trumpite posters, and is supposedly leading an anti-Republican witch hunt."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo why issue indictments then knowing full well that you'll have to show the accused the evidence? Do you think Mueller is that inept to do something even some third tier county prosecutor knows better than to do, or was he grandstanding and showboating trying to pretend he had something when he didn't?
Like I said, I don't see how the judge has any choice than to demand that Mueller turn over the evidence as required by law, or dismiss the charges.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI like how Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed FBI director by Bush, and now appointed special counsel by one of Trump's own Republican appointees, has somehow turned into a "Democrat" in the minds of Trump and Trumpite posters, and is supposedly leading an anti-Republican witch hunt.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI like how Mueller, a conservative Republican appointed FBI director by Bush, and now appointed special counsel by one of Trump's own Republican appointees, has somehow turned into a "Democrat" in the minds of Trump and Trumpite posters, and is supposedly leading an anti-Republican witch hunt.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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