Should Trump Resign Over "Hellhole" Comment?

[NorrinRadd]

Yes, I did - just not by the margin I thought.

Meanwhile,
Hillary is not POTUS
SCOTUS is not Hillary's.

I'm good with that.

Indeed.

I consider a politician's words and actions. I *also* judge one by the company he keeps, and by the reactions of his enemies. One thing that helped me get over my objections to Trump was that he seriously urinated off all the proper people. And now I'm happier every day that I did decide to vote for him.

[Starlight]

I *also* judge one by the company he keeps, and by the reactions of his enemies. One thing that helped me get over my objections to Trump was that he seriously urinated off all the proper people. And now I'm happier every day that I did decide to vote for him.

Getting the libs angry isn't the bug, it's the feature...

[Tassman]

Indeed.

I consider a politician's words and actions. I *also* judge one by the company he keeps, and by the reactions of his enemies. One thing that helped me get over my objections to Trump was that he seriously urinated off all the proper people. And now I'm happier every day that I did decide to vote for him.

[Mountain Man]

After watching you evangelical Christians support alleged child molester Roy Moore...

Keyword: alleged. Nothing was ever proven, and we have good reason to think the accusations were false.

[Sparko]

This is exactly what my cousin, a democrat told me. She and her whole family have always been democrats, but after watching the left's exaggerations and lies and seeing them try to drag moderate democrats into a far left immoral mess with all of the transgender bathroom crap, demonizing of Christians while supporting Muslim extremists, making up fake news and accusations about anyone they don't like on the right, she said she was probably going to vote Republican next election.

[Sparko]

No we think that Trump is not sexually immoral, or racist, or a liar. That's all made up by you guys.

[Adrift]

No we think that Trump is not sexually immoral, or racist, or a liar. That's all made up by you guys.

Trump is most definitely sexually immoral, and has been known to stretch the truth on more than a few occasions.

[Juvenal]

lao tzu, this is not at all controversial.

That's a slight improvement over a laughing smiley. Still, there's a good ways to go. Keep working on it. If you're looking for a conversation, avoid beginning with outright dismissal.

NPR themselves admit their liberal bias. Here's a conversation between Bob Garfield, the host of the NPR show "On the Media", and Ira Glass, the host of the NPR show "This American Life" from 2011,

Bob Garfield: You and I both know that if you were to somehow poll the political orientation of everybody in the NPR news organization and at all of the member stations, you would find an overwhelmingly progressive, liberal crowd, not uniformly, but overwhelmingly.

Ira Glass: Journalism, in general, reporters tend to be Democrats and tend to be more liberal than the public as a whole, sure. But that doesn't change what is going out over the air. And I feel like, well, let's measure the product.

Your quote contradicts your position.

Former NPR CEO Ken Stern also acknowledged the far left leaning nature of NPR in a recent NY Post piece.

Did it occur to you to check his motivations a bit more thoroughly?

Yes, he's the former CEO, which counts for something, but he's publishing in a right wing tabloid. We can't assume he's unbiased.

His essay coincides with the publication Tuesday of Republican Like Me: How I Left the Liberal Bubble and Learned to Love the Right, a book in which Stern describes a year hanging out with conservatives.

(I know, piglet, it's Current. But the book is real, and the timing is real, and the title is real. I checked. And I left the unlink unshielded this time.)

If you think I'm going to sit in my car with pen and paper and wait for each time NPR displays their extreme dislike for Trump, then you're gonna have to have another think. I find it amazing that you haven't noticed it yourself. Maybe you don't listen to NPR as often as I do. I don't know. But it's there. I have absolutely no reason to lie about this. If you don't believe me, then move on.

Most of their stories are written before being broadcast, and published afterwards. Hence my links, including one to a negative story on Trump for you to mine.

Nobody's accusing you of lying, but your ideological position is putting you at a disadvantage in evaluating the evidence. Extreme dislike, loathing, all caps et al., are hyperbolic qualifiers, and you haven't justified them, likely because they can't be justified.

And neither can the immediate dismissal of countervailing points of view, along with litmus tests for liberal bias most Republican members of congress, and indeed, most conservatives on this site, couldn't pass. I'll remind you that National Review devoted an entire issue to their opposition to Trump.

Specifically, as you bring it up related to NPR's coverage, your position that Trump is not a racist is a minority position, even among the bright red contingent here, and frankly, it's objectively indefensible. Recognizing his biases is not a liberal benchmark. Paul Ryan called his remarks on the Mexican judge the definition of racism, and it wasn't a one-off.

Trump began his campaign by suggesting the majority of Mexican immigrants were racists and drug peddlers. Those weren't even prepared remarks. Right-off-the-cuff is the definition of candid. He famously dithered on his rejection of David Duke. Charlottesville. Birtherism. The evidence is there.

I wasn't talking to you anyways.

There's evidence against that, too.

[Adrift]

That's a slight improvement over a laughing smiley. Still, there's a good ways to go. Keep working on it. If you're looking for a conversation, avoid beginning with outright dismissal.

I wasn't looking for a conversation with you. I was talking to carpe.

Nobody's accusing you of lying, but your ideological position is putting you at a disadvantage in evaluating the evidence.

Now this got me curious. What exactly do you think my ideological position regarding Trump is?

[Cow Poke]

You seem to have a particular gift for spewing forth idiocy, from which you draw equally idiotic conclusions. Too bad that's not a marketable skill.

[One Bad Pig]

The surprise was 30 pages in just a couple of days.

...and nothing accomplished.

Mickiel yawns at your surprise.

[rogue06]

You seem to have a particular gift for spewing forth idiocy, from which you draw equally idiotic conclusions. Too bad that's not a marketable skill.

The DNC is looking for candidates.

[Cow Poke]

Mickiel yawns at your surprise.

...Mickiel would be proud. Grow thread grow!

[One Bad Pig]

Your quote contradicts your position.

Sort of. One of the two denies that their liberal views results in a liberal bias to the news they proffer. I'll take that denial with a grain of salt, since people are often unaware of how their filters affect their words.

Did it occur to you to check his motivations a bit more thoroughly?

Yes, he's the former CEO, which counts for something, but he's publishing in a right wing tabloid. We can't assume he's unbiased.

His essay coincides with the publication Tuesday of Republican Like Me: How I Left the Liberal Bubble and Learned to Love the Right, a book in which Stern describes a year hanging out with conservatives.

(I know, piglet, it's Current. But the book is real, and the timing is real, and the title is real. I checked. And I left the unlink unshielded this time.)

Thanks for the invocation, toasti. There are a couple possible takes on this. One is that he's now looking at things with a conservative bias, and therefore his comments should be taken with a grain of salt. Another is that he's been in both camps, and therefore just might possibly be able to more accurately pinpoint where NPR falls on the scale.

Specifically, as you bring it up related to NPR's coverage, your position that Trump is not a racist is a minority position, even among the bright red contingent here, and frankly, it's objectively indefensible.

Recognizing his biases is not a liberal benchmark. Paul Ryan called his remarks on the Mexican judge the definition of racism, and it wasn't a one-off.

Trump began his campaign by suggesting the majority of Mexican immigrants were racists and drug peddlers. Those weren't even prepared remarks. Right-off-the-cuff is the definition of candid.

I see these remarks more as cultural snobbery than racist per se. "Mexican" is not a race, La Raza (a prominent voice among Mexican immigrants) IS unquestionably racist, and Mexico is after all a major source and/or funnel for illegal drugs into the country. That, of course, does not make his comments right.

He famously dithered on his rejection of David Duke. Charlottesville. Birtherism. The evidence is there.

How in the world is the belief that someone was really born in Kenya instead of Hawai'i racist? The spin is there, toasti.

[Sparko]

Trump is most definitely sexually immoral, and has been known to stretch the truth on more than a few occasions.

IS or WAS?