I no longer consider myself pro-life

[Darth Executor]

I remembered the other day that you have the bizarre view that things like liberalism or atheism are genetic rather than learned.

No i don't, you have no idea what my position is, or even have an intelligent position on the issue yourself because you are not a deep thinker.

And I recalled that is why you think that your statement about their "culling" makes sense, and why you're anti-immigrant because you insanely think those people's genetics will dictate how their children behave rather than the social behaviors they learn from the culture around them.

Every single human trait is heritable to some extent. Some more than others. And I don't need genetics to tell me mass immigration will result in a failure to assimilate, it is the observable absolute norm throughout history.

Just a general reminder that you are crazy and are scientifically and factually wrong in your premises.

Actually I'm pretty sure pure determinism is the current scientific consensus, so your silly ideas about people having a choice in how to behave (or more hilariously, that they will assimilate, even when not only is there no pressure to do so but the host culture is constantly derided as evil) is just atheist magical thinking resulting from you simply being unable to come to terms even with the warped reality you observe.

[Starlight]

nope just showing your hypocrisy. when you try to take the moral high ground get a clue you aren't on hte high ground of morality when you say it is ok to kill a 3 month old baby.

This forum is, of course, full of nutty religious extremists when it comes to abortion. As Kiwimac has pointed out in this thread, the bible says nothing against abortion, and as I have pointed out the bible makes plenty of mention of God ordering/causing the deaths of unborn babies (as well as plenty of born ones). In the modern secular world, fetuses are treated significantly differently to adult humans, and the most common rationale for that is their undeveloped brain and lack of higher reasoning functions. In my secular country, the new government is moving to abolishing the existing paperwork around abortion to streamline the process by which any women who wishes can quickly get an abortion. It is, of course, hilarious at times to watch the drooling idiots here make fools of themselves screaming about abortion being murder and to see their variously sad and amusing attempts to defend their crazy position when none of the biblical or scientific evidence supports it.

However, it is deeply, deeply disappointing and disturbing when these people get off their amusing hobby horse of abortion that they pretend to care about and start talking about issues that genuinely kill people with developed brains like lack of healthcare and guns. It seems like the same people who run around like chickens with their heads cut off at the thought of one fetus dying are quite happy to see 100,000 adults and children killed by guns per year or millions of people per year die due to lack of healthcare and will enthusiastically endorse political policies and political parties that pretty directly lead to these deaths. In doing so they reveal themselves to be immoral and evil scum.

[Tassman]

No i don't, you have no idea what my position is, or even have an intelligent position on the issue yourself

because you are not a deep thinker.

Oh the irony!

Every single human trait is heritable to some extent. Some more than others. And I don't need genetics to tell me mass immigration will result in a failure to assimilate, it is the observable absolute norm throughout history.

This is demonstrably untrue; many multi-cultural societies are perfectly well integrated. Australia is the most ethnically diverse country in the world and yet ranks second on the Human Development Index and is considerably less violent than the USA.

Actually I'm pretty sure pure determinism is the current scientific consensus, so your silly ideas about people having a choice in how to behave (or more hilariously, that they will assimilate, even when not only is there no pressure to do so but the host culture is constantly derided as evil) is just atheist magical thinking resulting from you simply being unable to come to terms even with the warped reality you observe.

[Cow Poke]

A) The plural of fetus is fetuses, not fetus's - the apostrophe there indicates possession.
2) Is there such a thing as a "born fetus"?
iii) When the unborn baby is born, they are still greatly valued - it is about the sanctity of human life.

[JimL]

Lilpix, when people don't have health care, when they don't go to the doctor, when they don't get preventative care, and when they get sick enough and end up going to the emergency room, it is often too late, and though the Hospital is required to treat them at that point, they often end up in long term care or they die, and the cost of that much more expensive ER and inpatient care is passed on to those of us who have Insurance. Healthcare is meant to keep people healthy, to catch problems before they become unmanageable and extremely costly. I'm sure you don't want those people to end up terribly ill or to die, and I'm sure you don't want to have those expensive chronic care costs passed on to you, so what do you want?

[lilpixieofterror]

Lilpix, when people don't have health care, when they don't go to the doctor, when they don't get preventative care, and when they get sick enough and end up going to the emergency room, it is often too late, and though the Hospital is required to treat them at that point, they often end up in long term care or they die, and the cost of that much more expensive ER and inpatient care is passed on to those of us who have Insurance. Healthcare is meant to keep people healthy, to catch problems before they become unmanageable and extremely costly. I'm sure you don't want those people to end up terribly ill or to die, and I'm sure you don't want to have those expensive chronic care costs passed on to you, so what do you want?

[carpedm9587]

this article that give a decent summery of the issues.

Yes - there is more to it - and that's a good article. Thanks for the link.

[carpedm9587]

The plural of fetus is fetuses, not fetus's - the apostrophe there indicates possession.

And we all know a fetus can't possess anything because it's not human

[One Bad Pig]

DE is Orthodox. Evangelicals are Protestants.

Of course, abortion has been consistently treated as murder throughout Church history; it's not like this is a new position thought up by Evangelicals.

[Darth Executor]

Australia is the most ethnically diverse country in the world and yet ranks second on the Human Development Index and is considerably less violent than the USA.

Australia is nowhere near as ethnically diverse as the US, let alone the most ethnically diverse country in the world (what a stupid comment, you should be embarrassed for trying to peddle this absurdity). Its main immigrant group also consist mostly of East Asians, which generally contribute the most and cause the least amount of trouble from all the non-western ethnic groups. There's simply no comparison between Australia and the US.

btw I'm not sure what the human development index or violence have to do with assimilation. even if standards of living don't drop and violence doesn't increase, immigrants will inevitably shift the culture of the country towards something that better suits them (and suits the people who were already there less). Though again I point out the stupidity of even using australia as an example considering it's only recently started allowing significant numbers of immigrants to begin with.

in other words, virtually meaningless.

[Darth Executor]

This forum is, of course, full of nutty religious extremists when it comes to abortion. As Kiwimac has pointed out in this thread, the bible says nothing against abortion, and as I have pointed out the bible makes plenty of mention of God ordering/causing the deaths of unborn babies (as well as plenty of born ones).

God causes/orders the deaths of lots of adults too, does that mean it's ok to abort you now?

[rogue06]

God causes/orders the deaths of lots of adults too, does that mean it's ok to abort you now?

He only thinks it's okay to "abort" someone a few weeks to months after they were born.

Nope. Not kidding.

[Cerebrum123]

He only thinks it's okay to "abort" someone a few weeks to months after they were born.

Nope. Not kidding.

I thought he said up to three years in a previous post.

[Raphael]

I thought he said up to three years in a previous post.

You sure that wasn't a quote from Singer?

I'm sure Starlight will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he has in the past said he thinks abortion should be legal up to 6 months post birth.

(the discussion has been bandied about too many times for a search to be useful)

[Darth Executor]

He only thinks it's okay to "abort" someone a few weeks to months after they were born.

Nope. Not kidding.

I know, I'm just trying to follow his "logic" in this particular case.