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Roy Moore accused of sexual contact with 14-year old
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThats Alabama think I guess! The note and signature in the year book is not meant to be proof of his guilt, it is meant to be proof of Moores lie that he never knew any of these accusers. He also lied about knowing and dating a third accuser, who also came up with an old note he had written and signed for her. So, the question is who are you going to believe the many women with corroborating evidence or the man who has proven himself to be lying all along? Franken btw, is the only one to have shown any moral character at all in that he admitted to the validity of the accusations and apologised.
2) I don't believe either of the two - which by the way, is not 'many' - accusers. One has admitted to tampering with evidence and the other has major issues with reliability. Even if I did it was 38 years ago and there are zero accusations after that time. Not exactly a pattern of behavior and no one should be convicted in the media when the courts are no longer willing to even indite.
3) Innocent people shouldn't apologize for things they didn't do - not apologizing when you are claiming innocence isn't suspect. Franken's apology undid him in large part - it rang self serving and I suspect irritated others into coming forward. I'm now presuming guilt because he's acting like he was guilty - stepping down can be taken as an admission. Honestly, if I only had what was in the media before last week and was on the jury, I probably would vote to acquit as I didn't think that case was all that strong, either. Stronger, granted, than the pathetic case against Moore, but not sufficient to prove to a preponderance, let alone the criminal standard."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThen why didn't he make that point when asked by Sean Hannity?
He never denied it was his note, or his signature, and btw it's the same writing with the same signature as submitted by his third and latest accuser, Debbie Gibson. Do you want to argue that the signature on her note from Moore is a stamp as well. Idiot!
And gibson is not "the third accuser" because she's not actually accusing him of anything except dating her at 17 (a nothingburger)."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostA photograph of Franken literally caught in the act is weak evidence?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYep, because that photo is evidence of reprisal for the actual accusation - the kiss. It's not great evidence - the careers come into play - but it is good supporting evidence. Like I said, the case is stronger - but it's not air tight the way you want to believe.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAs I've said, even if Tweedan lied about everything else, the picture alone should be enough to force Franken's resignation."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDid Franken resign? Last I heard he announced that he "will resign" in "the next few weeks". And even CNN calls it "Al Franken's totally unapologetic resignation".
The guy is a total BOZO. That you hold him up as an example of virtue shows how truly twisted your thinking is.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe difference between you and me, Jimmy, is that I know I'm not a handwriting expert. And, even if it's the same, what does it prove?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFor one thing CP, Moore basically admitted that it was his note and signature when only denying the added on date and location of its writing. Take that and compare it to the handwriting in the note Moore sent to Debbie Gibson, another girl that he denies ever knowing, and you can see they are the same handwriting. And what it proves is that he's lying about everything when he says he never had a relationship with any of these girls. That's all that the notes were intended to prove CP, that Moore is lying, and if he is lying about that, about even knowing the girls, then why should we believe him over the girls concerning their accussations? Btw, I'm not a handwriting expert either. Do you know what handwriting experts do CP, they use their eyes and they compare. I think even you can do that CP.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMy brother, who works a lot with autographed documents and has them regularly authenticated (he's buddies with the guy who does the authenticating on Pawn Stars now), has told me several times that nobody will do an authentication based on a picture of the writing. They can often spot a clumsy forgery that way but will never authenticate anything based on a picture.
I've also been to a number of FBI seminars as a police officer - several on forgeries - and there's always that "look and feel" emphasis. They want to touch, handle, even smell...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFor one thing CP, Moore basically admitted that it was his note and signature when only denying the added on date and location of its writing. Take that and compare it to the handwriting in the note Moore sent to Debbie Gibson, another girl that he denies ever knowing, and you can see they are the same handwriting. And what it proves is that he's lying about everything when he says he never had a relationship with any of these girls.
That's all that the notes were intended to prove CP, that Moore is lying, and if he is lying about that, about even knowing the girls, then why should we believe him over the girls concerning their accussations?
Btw, I'm not a handwriting expert either.
Do you know what handwriting experts do CP, they use their eyes and they compare. I think even you can do that CP.
I'll tell ya what --- go outside, take a walk, try to clear your mind, and give this another shot, eh?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHe has announced his attention to resign. There is an extremely outside chance that if Moore wins that Franken will rescind his plan to resign.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, as Sparko pointed out (he's right occasionally)
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA truly scary conceptThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, you can support an accusation that he lied. Please continue....
Why should we believe the girls with no credible evidence, even if he is a liar? That's now how this works, Jimmy.
You're probably as good at that as you are the law, or logic, or reason or any other topic!
So, let's see... you admit you're not a handwriting expert, but you think I should be?
I'll tell ya what --- go outside, take a walk, try to clear your mind, and give this another shot, eh?
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