Roy Moore accused of sexual contact with 14-year old

[Roy]

The point, of course, is that a devout Christian will be peaceful while a devout Muslim will be violent, and some people are better at following their religion than others. It's why I say that Muslim terrorists are not extremist, they're orthodox. In some parts of the world, a peaceful Muslim is decried as a heretic. I can't think of any situation where the same holds true for a peaceful Christian.

Then you need to think harder, educate yourself, and learn how to do research.

[shunyadragon]

Accusers of what, exactly?

A range of accusations from sexual assault, Sexual misconduct, to propositioning under age girls as young as 14.

[Mountain Man]

Then you need to think harder, educate yourself, and learn how to do research.

Nobody is fooled by these sorts of non-answers If you don't have a good response then it's best to simply not respond.

[Mountain Man]

A range of accusations from sexual assault, Sexual misconduct, to propositioning under age girls as young as 14.

Yeah, Nelson's claims are BS. Lots of discrepancies in her account, such as when the restaurant closed (at least an hour later than what she said), geographic errors (dumpsters were kept on the side, not around back like she said), the location of the restaurant (she implied that it was dark and isolated when it was surrounded by houses and had a brightly lit wrap-around porch), Nelson claimed she was hired at 15 when the restaurant never hired anyone younger than 16, others who worked at the restaurant at the time have no memory of Moore ever visiting, and so on.

[Roy]

Nobody is fooled by these sorts of non-answers If you don't have a good response then it's best to simply not respond.

I do have a good response - I posted it yesterday. That you can't remember it or can't make the necessary connections doesn't mean I need to waste time repeating it. .

[Cow Poke]

I do have a good response - I posted it yesterday. That you can't remember it or can't make the necessary connections doesn't mean I need to waste time repeating it. .

A link would have been appropriate, and not overly burdensome.

[Roy]

A link would have been appropriate, and not overly burdensome.

Sometimes even the tiniest effort is pointless. Why waste time on some-one who won't help themselves and is insulting besides?

[Cow Poke]

Sometimes even the tiniest effort is pointless. Why waste time on some-one who won't help themselves and is insulting besides?

But you'd do it if I asked, wouldn't you?

(I'm not asking)

[Roy]

But you'd do it if I asked, wouldn't you?

(I'm not asking)

probably

[Mountain Man]

I do have a good response - I posted it yesterday. That you can't remember it or can't make the necessary connections doesn't mean I need to waste time repeating it. .

[One Bad Pig]

I do have a good response - I posted it yesterday. That you can't remember it or can't make the necessary connections doesn't mean I need to waste time repeating it. .

Having reviewed what you posted in this thread yesterday, I'm failing at my attempt to determine which post you think is a good response to MM's post #793.

For that matter, I have no idea how you managed to read your post #788 into rogue's post. As far as I can tell, it's nothing more than an asinine dig at Christians, and even you realize it's indefensible on reconsideration - hence your deflection.

[lilpixieofterror]

Because it was considered holy.

I don't think it's possible to be certain since historical records are scarce, inconsistent and often tainted by the biases of the authors, and because there were many different forces involved in the first crusade who were not acting entirely in unison. However, the overall picture seems to be that Byzantium appealed to the pope for assistance against incursions by Seljuk forces into Anatolia, various European forces travelled to Constantinople to repel them, and when they were successful in not just reversing recent Seljuk incursions but in making incursions of their own against the various remnant Seljuk states, including capturing Antioch, they continued southwards towards Jerusalem and captured it from the Fatimids who had just themselves recaptured it from the Seljuks who had ended four centuries of Fatimid occupation of Jerusalem when they took it twenty years earlier.

Effectively the crusaders used Seljuk (Sunni) incursions into Anatolia as an excuse to wrest Jerusalem from the control of the (Shi'ite) Fatimids who had nothing to do with either the Seljuk incursions or increasing hostility to Xtian pilgrimages to Jerusalem.

Do you disagree?

I disagree with you leaving out the other side being motivated by religion itself. I also notice that you left out details about Islamic aggression towards its neighbors (which continued for hundreds of years), the destruction of Christian religious sites by Muslim invaders, or killings of Christians within conquered lands. If someone was attacking and killing your people, destroying your religious sites, and invading your land or land of your allies... what would your response be?

[lilpixieofterror]

Devils advocate mode:

So Muslims are capable of being peaceful despite the warlike nature of their religion, yet Xtians are incapable of being peaceful even though their religion commands it?

Jesus said many would claim to do many great things in his name and he would turn them away for they never knew him. Muhammad was a conqueror along with his disciples after his death. Want to try this again?

[rogue06]

Devils advocate mode:

So Muslims are capable of being peaceful despite the warlike nature of their religion, yet Xtians are incapable of being peaceful even though their religion commands it?

Bad analogy. Humans can behave badly. Humans can be good.

Muslims can be peaceful and violent. Christians can be peaceful and violent.

The point is that when Muslims are violently trying to spread Islam they are following what they say God (through Muhammad) told them to do. OTOH, when Christians are violently trying to spread Christianity they are explicitly disobeying what Jesus told them to do.

[Cow Poke]

Bad analogy. Humans can behave badly. Humans can be good.

Muslims can be peaceful and violent. Christians can be peaceful and violent.

The point is that when Muslims are violently trying to spread Islam they are following what they say God (through Muhammad) told them to do. OTOH, when Christians are violently trying to spread Christianity they are explicitly disobeying what Jesus told them to do.

You have made that way to simplicated and understandacable.