Liberal Atheists are at it again.

[Rushing Jaws]

[Cow Poke]

Look at the zeal and fervor with which the local atheists attack Christianity. It's part of their "faith"*.



*said half in jest, but yet, here they are.

[Mountain Man]

If we use a strict definition of "religion" then atheism probably doesn't fit; however, almost every atheist I've ever encountered online or in person certainly promotes their worldview with a religious fervor making it almost indistinguishable from an actual religion.

[Cow Poke]

If we use a strict definition of "religion" then atheism probably doesn't fit; however, every almost atheist I've ever encountered online or in person certainly promotes their worldview with a religious fervor making it almost indistinguishable from an actual religion.

EGGzackly! And if you read the Humanist Manifesto, the atheists here (including the self-admitted atheist who is ashamed to call himself that so he hides behind the name "agnostic") pretty much subscribe to that "doctrine" pretty religiously.

In addition, the signatories of the Humanist Manifesto include some of their heroes of faithlessness!

[Mountain Man]

The late Douglas Adams was one of the few atheists I know of who had the courage to positively assert his worldview (he referred to himself as a "radical atheist"). His arguments were terrible, of course, as pro-atheism arguments generally are, but at least he was honest about what he believed. That's more than I can say for most atheists.

[JimL]

He did not believe in the Trinity, but he did believe in Jesus, and his God. He even SAID he was a Christian!

Let me repeat:

Thomas Jefferson considered himself a Christian, not a Deist.


I am a real ChristianI am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Memoir, Correspondence, and Miscellanies from the Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, editor (Boston: Grey & Bowen, 1830), Vol. III, p. 506, to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803


As were the other founding fathers.

https://wallbuilders.com/founding-fa...tianity-bible/

He didn't believe in the biblical Yahwey which is the christian god, he didn't believe in the god Jesus, aka the christ, which is the christian god. What Jefferson believed was that Jesus was a great moral humanist philosopher and preacher, not a god, and he believed as a Deist in a god similar to the one Jesus preached of. Now you can call that a christian if you want, but it's not a christian by definition. What Jefferson is saying is that he believes he is a christian according to his own beliefs concerning the man Jesus, but he is not a christian according to christianity. "I am a sect unto myself, as far as I know."

[JimL]

The late Douglas Adams was one of the few atheists I know of who had the courage to positively assert his worldview (he referred to himself as a "radical atheist"). His arguments were terrible, of course, as pro-atheism arguments generally are, but at least he was honest about what he believed. That's more than I can say for most atheists.

The atheists worldview is that there is no god, how much more honest would you like them to be?

[Sparko]

He didn't believe in the biblical Yahwey which is the christian god, he didn't believe in the god Jesus, aka the christ, which is the christian god. What Jefferson believed was that Jesus was a great moral humanist philosopher and preacher, not a god, and he believed as a Deist in a god similar to the one Jesus preached of. Now you can call that a christian if you want, but it's not a christian by definition. What Jefferson is saying is that he believes he is a christian according to his own beliefs concerning the man Jesus, but he is not a christian according to christianity. "I am a sect unto myself, as far as I know."

my God (the Christian one) you are a moron. He SAID he was a Christian. In. His. Own. Words.

Whether we would consider him orthodox is besides the matter. We would not. He was not a Trinitarian. He was more like a Unitarian. But he believed not only in Jesus Christ, but in his teachings and doctrines which were based on YAHWEH and him being Jesus' father. Jefferson knew all that and believed it and followed it. That is not "deism" that is just unorthodox Christianity. He believed that Jesus was God's son, but he did not believe that Jesus was God.

[Cow Poke]

The atheists worldview is that there is no god, how much more honest would you like them to be?

Speaking of honest, when are you going to change your faith designation?

[JimL]

my God (the Christian one) you are a moron. He SAID he was a Christian. In. His. Own. Words.

Whether we would consider him orthodox is besides the matter. We would not. He was not a Trinitarian. He was more like a Unitarian. But he believed not only in Jesus Christ, but in his teachings and doctrines which were based on YAHWEH and him being Jesus' father. Jefferson knew all that and believed it and followed it. That is not "deism" that is just unorthodox Christianity. He believed that Jesus was God's son, but he did not believe that Jesus was God.

So, in order to be a christian, one doesn't have to believe in Jesus as christ god? Gotcha.

[Jedidiah]

Well then, they can call themselves christian if they want, but if they don't believe that Jesus is god, then they simply aren't christian.

Interesting reversal here. When convenient anyone who calls themselves a Christian is a Christian when atheists use that in debate.

[JimL]

Speaking of honest, when are you going to change your faith designation?

As far as i'm concerned, since no one can say with certainty that god exists, or does not exist, then everyone is agnostic, including you.

[Zymologist]

The atheists worldview is that there is no god, how much more honest would you like them to be?

A short time later....

As far as i'm concerned, since no one can say with certainty that god exists, or does not exist, then everyone is agnostic, including you.

Not necessarily contradictory, but I do find it kind of amusing.

[Mountain Man]

The atheists worldview is that there is no god, how much more honest would you like them to be?

Don't look now, Jimmy, but you just made a positive declaration for which you bear the burden of proof. Now let's see you try and prove it.

[Cow Poke]

As far as i'm concerned, since no one can say with certainty that god exists, or does not exist, then everyone is agnostic, including you.

Jim, seriously, why do you do this to yourself? Words actually have meanings, and this kind of statement just shows that you're either not at all serious in debate, or you are profoundly ignorant.

Even your statement about agnostic and atheist "being the same" was disputed by our Tweb atheists.

I'm just about convinced that you CAN'T be that ignorant -- that you must, indeed, just be a lonely jackwagon with nothing better to do than to troll Christians.