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He's a liar, he was in favor of gun control before too."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by JimL View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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It is a question of using force against millions of innocent people in order to reduce somewhat the risk from a very small number of bad/crazy people. People who are okay with that have lost the principled ground against all kinds of invasions of liberty, including banning Muslim immigration.Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
Arguably the biggest cause of death in the world in the past century has been governments. Perhaps then we should focus our efforts at restricting/banning governments? Maybe it's more the governments' possession of weaponry that we should be worried about restricting?Comment
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And we're supposed to take your word for that against his own why?Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostComment
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This seems a rather big strawman. No one suggested abolishing the whole thing, just changing part of it, as has been done multiple times in the past. The argument "we don't want it to be changed" is rather fallacious if that were the case, changing it would be impossible, not merely difficult. Heck, the Second Amendment itself was a change to the Constitution, as it wasn't added until several years after ratification.Originally posted by Sparko View PostComment
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Oh stop with the bs Lilpix, you couldn't care less about solutions. Some 560 people or so were killed or injured in this attack, 59 so far dead, so don't tell me there are no solutions. No one is suggesting we take everyones guns away and starting an armed rebellion. How many of these attacks where many innocent people are murdered is it going to take to wake you up. If this particular mad man didn't have these gun modifying components, which btw are legal, he wouldn't have had the firing power to kill and maim all those people. I'm pretty sure if your mom was there and was shot in the head and killed you'd change your tune. But, in your case I could be wrong about that.Comment
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You're a terrible mind reader, Jim.Originally posted by JimL View Post
She didn't.Some 560 people or so were killed or injured in this attack, 59 so far dead, so don't tell me there are no solutions.
How do you propose doing away with guns? You think everyone will just meekly give them up?No one is suggesting we take everyones guns away and starting an armed rebellion.
How many disastrous consequences to knee-jerk reactions will it take for you to stop proposing knee-jerk reactions?How many of these attacks where many innocent people are murdered is it going to take to wake you up.
You have evidence he had "these gun modifying components" legally? He could've done plenty of damage with explosives, too (which he had, and gun control laws wouldn't touch).If this particular mad man didn't have these gun modifying components, which btw are legal, he wouldn't have had the firing power to kill and maim all those people.
What kind of sick, twisted logic is that? "Someone close to me was killed by a gun, so guns should be taken away from me." THINK, Jim.I'm pretty sure if your mom was there and was shot in the head and killed you'd change your tune. But, in your case I could be wrong about that.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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Sort of like we're supposed to take your word for every unsupported assertion you make here? Hypocrite much?Originally posted by JimL View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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Love of guns had nothing to do with this. No love of any sort involved, only hatred and evil.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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The LAST thing you want is to override the second. That's really, really NOT how this works.Originally posted by Roy View Post
It would create legal nightmares that would make matters worse. Because the second has been incorporated - that's the actual problem now.
It should not have been - and arguably, incorporation itself is a problem. But it makes more sense to dis-incorporate it (this will NOT be fun) than to void it."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Does anybody think that repealing the 2nd Amendment and following up with gun confiscations wouldn't lead to a second Civil War?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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Um, you do realize the second wasn't incorporated until a few years ago, right? The truth is, we DO change it - sometimes minus the formal amendment process.Originally posted by Sparko View Post"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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FYI: I'm PRO gun control. This is a really unnecessarily nasty argument. It's also a fallacious one - moralistic fallacy.Originally posted by JimL View Post
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No, I don't - but it would be a massively bad idea and while it probably wouldn't result in warfare, it would result in violence.Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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