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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I have never been to NASCAR.
    I haven't either, but I've been to a tractor pull.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      I haven't either, but I've been to a tractor pull.
      I did watch the Indy 500 on TV and saw Talladega Nights so I guess I am a racist after all.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        I have never been to NASCAR.
        My wife's dad is in the East Coast Drag Racing hall of fame.
        That's what
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        • #79
          Did miley the cat just say his father-in-law is in the Hall of Fame in drag?

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            I have never been to NASCAR.
            This proves that they are racist!

            NASCAR owners side with Trump, say they will fire drivers who protest national anthem


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            • #81
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              This proves that they are racist!

              NASCAR owners side with Trump, say they will fire drivers who protest national anthem


              http://www.registercitizen.com/techn...e-12225168.php
              The fans booed the Patriots and yelled, "STAND UP!" at the kneeling players during the last game.

              http://nypost.com/2017/09/24/patriot...nthem-protest/

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                The fans booed the Patriots and yelled, "STAND UP!" at the kneeling players during the last game.

                http://nypost.com/2017/09/24/patriot...nthem-protest/
                And Sunday Night Football is taking a beating in the ratings.

                http://deadline.com/2017/09/redskins...bc-1202176141/

                Source: Breitbart

                http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017...n-low-ratings/

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  This proves that they are racist!

                  NASCAR owners side with Trump, say they will fire drivers who protest national anthem


                  http://www.registercitizen.com/techn...e-12225168.php
                  They are not protesting the national anthem or the flag, they are protesting the unjust treatment of black people in this country which is actually respecting what the flag is symbolic of; freedom of speech. Odd how you conservatives are always harping on about freedom of speech until its speech you don't like.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    They are not protesting the national anthem or the flag, they are protesting the unjust treatment of black people in this country which is actually respecting what the flag is symbolic of; freedom of speech. Odd how you conservatives are always harping on about freedom of speech until its speech you don't like.
                    As a non-conservative, and someone who doesn't care about sports, nor is particularly flag wavy, I just don't get this argument (and I've been seeing it a lot lately). I've always been taught that people stand for the flag because it's a sign of respect. To kneel then would seem to indicate that you've chosen...not...to respect the flag. What other purpose is there? If kneeling to the flag is the same as standing to the flag, then why kneel? How does kneeling indicate protest towards the unjust treatment of black people? It seems to me that a much better indicator of protest towards the unjust treatment of black people would be the Black Power salute. That even has a tradition of use in this country when the flag is waving and the anthem is sung. It makes so much more sense.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      They are not protesting the national anthem or the flag, they are protesting the unjust treatment of black people in this country which is actually respecting what the flag is symbolic of; freedom of speech. Odd how you conservatives are always harping on about freedom of speech until its speech you don't like.
                      How are blacks treated unjustly Jim? By whom?
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        How are blacks treated unjustly Jim? By whom?
                        ...by their own culture, mostly. When the music you listen to is all gangsta, that's how you roll - and they mostly take it out on each other. Those who do try to improve themselves are derided by their own as "Uncle Toms".
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                          It seems to me that a much better indicator of protest towards the unjust treatment of black people would be the Black Power salute. That even has a tradition of use in this country when the flag is waving and the anthem is sung. It makes so much more sense.
                          The Black Power salute has racist connotations. I would certainly understand somebody not wanting to go with it and don't think it should be considered the "default" because it implies black superiority, not a desired equality.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                            They are not protesting the national anthem or the flag, they are protesting the unjust treatment of black people in this country which is actually respecting what the flag is symbolic of; freedom of speech. Odd how you conservatives are always harping on about freedom of speech until its speech you don't like.
                            Give it a rest, Jimmy. Nobody buys this rationalization. They are deliberately disrespecting America because they feel that America as a whole has disrespected blacks. That's the whole point of the protest. Of course they don't appreciate the irony that as highly paid football players, they are among the richest and most privileged people in the country.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Give it a rest, Jimmy. Nobody buys this rationalization. They are deliberately disrespecting America because they feel that America as a whole has disrespected blacks. That's the whole point of the protest. Of course they don't appreciate the irony that as highly paid football players, they are among the richest and most privileged people in the country.
                              I dunno. Liberal white guilt seems to lap this stuff up.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                The Black Power salute has racist connotations. I would certainly understand somebody not wanting to go with it and don't think it should be considered the "default" because it implies black superiority, not a desired equality.
                                Maybe so, but it's contextually far more fitting than kneeling at the flag. What salute or posture do you think would be better suited? Or are you of the opinion that kneeling at the flag and anthem is not a form of disrespect?

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