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Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThanks. Subjects like these can be hard to work through because it seems like the actual discoveries are not completely laid out in an organized fashion for the non-expert. Briefly digging into this topic, one website I visited seemed to imply that the image that Safarti was using to suggest that the fossil remains were missing came directly from National Geographic themselves, and that the image that you added later were from another, more complete example found on a later date. I wish when things like these came to light that we'd see actual photos of the fossils as they were discovered in the ground, and the actual fossils in a museum or lab. But often times what we get (for some strange reason) is reconstructions. There's no lack of a drawings, computer simulations, and mock plaster recreations, but rarely photos of the actual fossils as they were discovered, and as they actually exist on a table in a lab/museum. Kinda frustrating. And then digging through all of the nonsense online just makes it all that much harder. This isn't just a complaint I have about paleontology, but also applies to similar fields like anthropology and archaeology. Even in the field that I'm most interested, early Christian writings...we're only just now getting fragments and codexes scanned in full thanks to the work of people like Daniel Wallace. I think the general public would be so much more interested in this stuff if it was all just more easily accessible.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThanks. Subjects like these can be hard to work through because it seems like the actual discoveries are not completely laid out in an organized fashion for the non-expert. Briefly digging into this topic, one website I visited seemed to imply that the image that Safarti was using to suggest that the fossil remains were missing came directly from National Geographic themselves, and that the image that you added later were from another, more complete example found on a later date.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostAlso most or all of the vertebrae.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostInteresting since I, who am not a professional, was quite aware that Sarfati was being at best misleading about what was known about Ambulocetus when his critique came out.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIf it helps, there were multiple excavations of the site, with some of the fossilised bones being excavated one year and the rest the following year. However, they were not different specimens, and Sarfati was writing well after the second excavation.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis wasn't on Tweb having taken place long after he was banninated. It was published on various YEC websites in response to the PBS series Evolution including the one you've been citing https://creation.com/refuting-evolut...hale-evolution
Here is the illustration used there along with the note attached to it
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In 2002, Don Batten wrote:
Then in 2012:
The 2012 addendum even includes the latest photograph, so it's not as though they're trying to hide anything. So not only was the original story accurate, but at least Creation.com has kept on top of and responded to new developments. Care to revise some of the things you've said?Last edited by Mountain Man; 09-18-2017, 10:31 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThank you. Yes, that looks far more complete than what Sarfati apparently had claimed.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSee my above post. Sarfati's original article that rogue references was published in 1994 and accurately depicted the incompleteness of the skeleton at that time. Creation.com, at the very least, has responded to new developments (their last addendum was in 2012), so for rogue to pretend that Sarfati's original 1994 article represents the current opinion of creationists is inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou're not being entirely honest, rogue. At the time the original article was written (around 1994, I think), what's shown in the illustration really was all that existed of the skeleton, so Sarfati's article was accurate at the time.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOk, thanks. That makes a bit more sense. Though reading that article, it appears creation.com has left paleontologists in a no-win situation. The problem is that they presupposed their conclusion before all of the evidence was made available. It can be argued that the paleontologists did the same thing, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Still, if the 2012 addendum is correct, it appears that evolutionists did not assume nearly enough time for the extraordinarily complex series of mutations required to produce a modern day whale.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSee my above post. Sarfati's original article that rogue references was published in 1994 and accurately depicted the incompleteness of the skeleton at that time. Creation.com, at the very least, has responded to new developments (their last addendum was in 2012), so for rogue to pretend that Sarfati's original 1994 article represents the current opinion of creationists is inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis was what he was still representing as what was known in 2001 in response to the PBS series Evolution which aired that year. That is what is not being entirely honest. But of course he knew those who tend to read YEC websites will never question it.
Seems that Sarfati was just playing by the established rules.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAs the 2002 addendum points out, "As far as I am aware, none of this extra material has been subjected to peer review. That is, it has not been published in a refereed scientific journal. As such, it is not admissible as scientific evidence (evolutionists are quick to demand this of creationists)."
Seems that Sarfati was just playing by the established rules.
This goes a long way in demonstrating that Sarfati wasn't being sloppy and ignorant but deliberately dishonest
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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