Majority of Americans want Confederate statues to remain...

[RumTumTugger]

I'm sorta impressed that you managed to somehow get that interpretation out of rogue's post.

it is what the leftist are good at OBP twisting someones words around in thier mind to make it mean the opposite of what they said.

[Tassman]

Are their programs designed to destroy the family structure like ours do? Do they have a culture that celebrates random violence and misogyny (listen to American rap music for a continuous stream of it)?

Poverty, social discrimination and ghetoism are what destroys family structure. This is rampant in the grossly inequitable, gun-violent USA, less so in most other Western countries. What do you think destroys the family structure?

[seer]

Poverty, social discrimination and ghetoism are what destroys family structure. This is rampant in the grossly inequitable, gun-violent USA, less so in most other Western countries. What do you think destroys the family structure?

Nonsense Tass, gun laws for instance were much more lax 50-60 years ago and we did not have this kind of murder rate in the inner cities. They also had lower out of wedlock birth rates, and most fathers were in the home. Why were crime rates lower back then when Blacks had it worse?

[Psychic Missile]

Affirmative action should have been stopped by now. it was OK once upon a time but there is no point of it today other than special treatment.

You should watch this video, an interview of Larry Elder, a black man, who discusses whether there is systemic racism in the US today. He also touches on affirmative action.

https://www.facebook.com/Conservativ...0355643663013/

It is about 8 minutes long and worth it.

Affirmative action was only a minor point. I'm glad we can, it seems, since you have abandoned that argument, agree wrt welfare and crime.

[Psychic Missile]

Are their programs designed to destroy the family structure like ours do? Do they have a culture that celebrates random violence and misogyny (listen to American rap music for a continuous stream of it)?

How do you think welfare destroys the family structure? It certainly would help if Americans celebrated violence less and were less misogynistic.

[Tassman]

Nonsense Tass, gun laws for instance were much more lax 50-60 years ago and we did not have this kind of murder rate in the inner cities. They also had lower out of wedlock birth rates, and most fathers were in the home. Why were crime rates lower back then when Blacks had it worse?

The statistics nevertheless consistently show that countries such as Australia and NZ, with higher welfare safety nets and strong gun-laws, don't have the social problems and violence evident in USA. Neither are they as religious, could there be a correlation?

[seer]

The statistics nevertheless consistently show that countries such as Australia and NZ, with higher welfare safety nets and strong gun-laws, don't have the social problems and violence evident in USA. Neither are they as religious, could there be a correlation?

That doesn't answer the question, why were rates of violence so much lower back in the day when gun laws were much more lax, and economically and socially Blacks had it much worse?

[Tassman]

That doesn't answer the question, why were rates of violence so much lower back in the day when gun laws were much more lax, and economically and socially Blacks had it much worse?

[seer]

So they kill each other at unprecedented rates? What the hell are you talking about?

The more relevant question is why Australia, NZ and most of the more secular Western countries, with higher welfare safety nets and stronger gun-laws than the US, don't have the same social problems and increasing violence evident in USA.

Because your populations are a bunch of sheep?

[Bill the Cat]

No, that question is NOT relevant. It is anecdotal at best.

[Sparko]

Affirmative action was only a minor point. I'm glad we can, it seems, since you have abandoned that argument, agree wrt welfare and crime.

Agree? Ha. It is just that arguing with you on the topic is wasted energy since you don't even appear to understand the issues involved at all. Like arguing physics with a chimp.

[Psychic Missile]

Agree? Ha. It is just that arguing with you on the topic is wasted energy since you don't even appear to understand the issues involved at all. Like arguing physics with a chimp.

It's not uncommon for me to run into people on TWeb who have a strong position about an issue they don't understand (climate, race, homosexuality, trans-rights). When that happens, I explain the issue and present facts and evidence to back myself up. Granted, there are people who waste your time by not addressing your points and not supplying facts or data, but there is simply no way my interaction with you can be characterized in that way. On the other hand, you still have yet to explain why welfare causes crime in America but not in other countries, you haven't supported your argument with facts when asked, and your assertion that people on welfare don't work was proven wrong and you completely abandoned that line of thought to blow up a minor aside. Now you're acting like I was the unreasonable one. That's not very mature.

[Sparko]

It's not uncommon for me to run into people on TWeb who have a strong position about an issue they don't understand (climate, race, homosexuality, trans-rights). When that happens, I explain the issue and present facts and evidence to back myself up. Granted, there are people who waste your time by not addressing your points and not supplying facts or data, but there is simply no way my interaction with you can be characterized in that way. On the other hand, you still have yet to explain why welfare causes crime in America but not in other countries, you haven't supported your argument with facts when asked, and your assertion that people on welfare don't work was proven wrong and you completely abandoned that line of thought to blow up a minor aside. Now you're acting like I was the unreasonable one. That's not very mature.

I never said welfare causes crime. In fact I gave an example where people in appalachia get welfare and don't have crime.

See? you can't even seem to even get what I said right and want me to defend things I never said. Not worth my time PM.

[Jedidiah]

It's not uncommon for me to run into people on TWeb who have a strong position about an issue they don't understand (climate, race, homosexuality, trans-rights).

You appear to be one of those people. You have not addressed the position you are opposing.

[Tassman]

You appear to be one of those people. You have not addressed the position you are opposing.

More to the point you have not justified your oft repeated assertion that liberal welfare schemes cause crime in America, when in fact the opposite is true in other Western countries with much broader welfare safety nets.