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Sotomayer Doesn't Understand Guns
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I remember something about the Ghost Dance which was prohibited on the Res, and which Sitting Bull promoted.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View Post
First of we're not comparing the different ways that people are killed, we're talking about, or comparing number of murders over time with numbers of murders at one time.
We're simply talking about mass shootings period.
And it seems that I have a difference of opinion with many here concerning the interpretation of the law, or I should say how a justice should interpret the law.
So, first off, an AR-15 equipped with a bump stock according to my research can fire between 400-800 rpm which means it can be comparable to a fully automatic machine gun.
I would assume that the rpm is dependent on the experience/ability of the shooter, but nonetheless the rpm can be comparable to a machine gun.
As far as the legal mechanism involved which defined a machine gun, the single function of the trigger finger. I could be wrong, but it's the way it read to me and I noticed it's also the way that the ATF defined it i.e. that with the bump stock there is only a single function of the trigger finger, from that point on it is the recoil of the gun that bumps against the finger, not that the shooter is pulling the trigger each time.
So,, with that in mind, I don't agree with Thomas or some of you here that a Judge leaves his common sense at the door and simply interpret the exact wording of the law, I think you use your common sense, interpret the intent of the law, and all things being as above, if the weapons are comparable, then that was the intent of the original law. I agree with Sotomayor. If it walks like a duck........P1) If, then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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Originally posted by eider View PostOh you chump! You actually think that 'the left' doesn't understand guns or this, or that...........
you must be so thick to plump half your country's people in to 'scared and stupid'.
More waffle from you. VFF guns are quite unnecessary for civilians to own.
.........you think that 'the left' are scared, yet you imagine yourself being attacked by hordes of......... what, exactly?
And in your crazy imaginings who exactly are you killing............. Americans? Such madness.P1) If, then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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Originally posted by eider View Post....
During WW1 German machine guns were set up if possible to cross an attacking force from either flank and EVERY bullet would hit a soldier.....EVERY bullet.....
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe bolded part was why most folk with experience with Stens loathed them. Practically speaking, there is nothing worse than going into a firefight with an unreliable weapon.
Still most isn't all and they had their fans, like your buddy.
Similarly the Czech .32 Skorpion machine pistol was adored by some people ........
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
The Left demonstrably doesn't understand guns.
Multiple home invaders is a reasonable scenario and overwhelmingly most crime is committed by people from the same country as the victim in all countries.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe problem, as has been shown, virtually all firearms can be your "VFFs." I even posted a video of someone using an old-fashioned single-action revolver meaning not just one bullet per pull of the trigger but you have to manually pull back the hammer between each shot.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, first off, an AR-15 equipped with a bump stock according to my research can fire between 400-800 rpm which means it can be comparable to a fully automatic machine gun. I would assume that the rpm is dependent on the experience/ability of the shooter, but nonetheless the rpm can be comparable to a machine gun.
As far as the legal mechanism involved which defined a machine gun, the single function of the trigger finger. I could be wrong, but it's the way it read to me and I noticed it's also the way that the ATF defined it i.e. that with the bump stock there is only a single function of the trigger finger, from that point on it is the recoil of the gun that bumps against the finger, not that the shooter is pulling the trigger each time.
Interestingly, if one looks at the last edit on the Wikipedia article on bump stocks prior to the Las Vegas shooting that caused the desire to ban them (thus, the last version before it became a real political issue), we see:
"None of these techniques fire more than one round with a single trigger pull, rather they compensate for biomechanical limitations associated with how fast a finger can repetitively pull the trigger."
This backs up the interpretation that because there is only one round per trigger pull, it does not count as a machinegun according to the legal definition. Obviously, this is just Wikipedia, but it's striking to me that it admits such a thing, at least before it became a political issue.
Most likely, if they knew this sort of thing was a possibility, they probably would've written the law a little differently. But it makes sense they wouldn't write a law about machineguns taking into account an invention that didn't exist yet. According to the law they did write, I do not think bump stocks on a rifle change it to a machinegun; this may be a loophole, but a loophole doesn't disappear just because it was unintended. I went into the opinion without having a particularly strong opinion on either side, read both majority and dissent, and concluded the majority had the better argument.
So,, with that in mind, I don't agree with Thomas or some of you here that a Judge leaves his common sense at the door and simply interpret the exact wording of the law, I think you use your common sense, interpret the intent of the law, and all things being as above, if the weapons are comparable, then that was the intent of the original law. I agree with Sotomayor. If it walks like a duck........
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Originally posted by eider View Post
Ignorance sitting at back of class, sniggering?
Stay ignorant.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by eider View Post
A perfect example here of a gun nerd trying to show all how much he knows. Pathetic.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by eider View PostOh you chump! You actually think that 'the left' doesn't understand guns or this, or that........... you must be so thick to plump half your country's people in to 'scared and stupid'.
More waffle from you. VFF guns are quite unnecessary for civilians to own.
.........you think that 'the left' are scared, yet you imagine yourself being attacked by hordes of......... what, exactly?
And in your crazy imaginings who exactly are you killing............. Americans? Such madness.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Still laughing at this.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I never snigger. Ever.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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