A Call to Trumpers/MAGA/Conservatives

[carpedm9587]

I guess we're just going to memory-hole the backlash against conservative speech and the efforts to cancel it. I guess we're going to memory-hole Hillary calling people "deplorables". I guess we're going to memory-hole the Left shutting down discourse of Covid. I guess we're going to memory-hole school board shutting down the speech of parents over pornographic material in schools. I guess we're going to memory-hole teachers shutting out parents while coaching their children.

I didn't say any of those things.

[carpedm9587]

Not to mention the Left muzzling Trump and tying him up in courtrooms while Biden wanders the campaign trail.

Such an even playing field.

There is no "left" acting in such a concerted way, any more than there is a "right" acting in a concerted way. Mr. Trump is in court because a jury of his peers determined there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Whenever a politician of one party is on trail and the opposition is in power, there will be cries of "political witch hunt." It has always been so. If Mr. Trump is innocent (or there is insufficient evidence for conviction), I believe a jury of his peers will find him so. Should that happen, I suspect the backlash will seal the deal on the fall election. If he is convicted, perhaps the opposite will happen.

I don't have as much confidence of the latter, however. The Republican party has become the party of "if I win, I won. If I lose, they cheated." I suspect, if Mr. Trump is convicted, most of his base will be outraged at the "injustice of it all." So much for the party of law and order...

[carpedm9587]

There is a point where views are so different that no meaningful discussion can take place. You've reached that point with your constant sprint further to the left.

Me, personally?

[CivilDiscourse]

Umm... where did I say that "treating people like the enemy is a one-sided affair?" I am a moderate-liberal, and was speaking from my perspective of being responded to as an enemy.

You didn't, but at the same time, your letter read like it was an intervention as opposed to an actual attempt at reconciliation. This is a situation where it takes both parties to come together, yet you are only appealing to one side.

[Diogenes]

I didn't say any of those things.

I know, that's because they're being memory-holed.

That means we need to have a discussion. We need to exchange views. We need to talk, debate, even argue.

The Left has systematically shut down discussion.

That is the greatest danger that your chosen candidate represents. He’s not calling for us to talk, to discuss, to debate. He’s calling for you to hate those who disagree with you.

I don't know where you've been in the past eight years, but the Left has not only shut down discourse, but they have labeled everything that opposes them pejoratively.


You're obviously not open to discussion.

fin.

[carpedm9587]

I think there's truth to political motivation, especially in the Bragg case. This is SUCH a unique and novel take on the law that it beggars belief to say that it was anything other than a prosecutor looking for a crime to prosecute.

Honestly, the best case against Trump IMO is the classified docs case. That's mainly because he did it to himself.

Actually, there have been multiple cases in NY in which business fraud of this type was charged. What makes the Trump case a bit unique is that, in all of the other cases, the criminal act that made the business fraud also criminal was also being charged. Here, the criminal act (an election violation) is not being formally charged, presumably because it lies outside Bragg's jurisdiction? I'm not sure on that one - not being a lawyer.

I don't really know if the case for election fraud can be made. I do know that everything that is coming out in the case in NY stinks to high heaven. The documentation and cross witness corroboration tell the story of a very sick, entitled man squirming to avoid a nasty story getting out and alienating his "base." Most of what has come out (catch/kill, payment, the multiple accusations of sexual infidelity and predation, etc.) would kill the political career of any other person. Not Mr. Trump. His cult of personality stands strong - and I am beginning to think there is absolutely nothing he can do, nothing that can be revealed, that will ever alienate them from him.

He was probably right: he could kill someone in Central Park and his base would find a reason to excuse it and stick with him.

[carpedm9587]

I meant more specifically with regard to carpedm9587. He was already pretty far to the left, but now he's at a point where it's not really possible to have a conversation anymore.

Why do you think this?

And what makes you think I am "far left?"

[Mountain Man]

He reminds me of JimL. You don't think...?

Carville is more likable and coherent than our Jimmy. Admittedly, that sets a rather low bar.

[carpedm9587]

I think the timing would have been a lot better for Biden if charges had been filed earlier.

Whether it helps or hurts Trump's chances in the election is a factor that should not have been taken into account in deciding whether or not to charge him, anyway.

I think we also need to remember that Mr. Trump himself has engaged in a delaying action, pushing the trial off with the hopes of pushing them past the November election. The timing is strongly influenced by those choices on his part.

[carpedm9587]

The Mar-a-Lago document case is similarly novel, because President Trump is being prosecuted for doing what just about every US president in history has done, and a number of non-presidents.

This is not true.

[Mountain Man]

You're obviously not open to discussion.

Of course carpe is open to discussion, so long as that discussion is exclusively focused on how mean and awful he thinks President Trump is.

[carpedm9587]

The primary issue here is Trump's repeated effort to delay returning the documents, lying about it, and efforts to hide them. I am firmly convinced that had he not let his ego get in the way of returning the documents when asked, none of this would have been an issue.

Trump really does have nobody to blame but himself for the mess at Mar-a-lago.

Agreed

[Diogenes]

Of course carpe is open to discussion, so long as that discussion is exclusively focused on how mean and awful he thinks President Trump is.

And he wonders why a liberal would vote for Trump. As the meme goes, I didn't move right, the Left went further left.

[Cow Poke]

He reminds me of JimL. You don't think...?

Naw, Carville can actually spell and use proper English when he wants to.

[carpedm9587]

And he wonders why a liberal would vote for Trump. As the meme goes, I didn't move right, the Left went further left.

I am still curious to know what it is about your views that you think is "left?" I too have seen the Democratic party move more left, just as I have watched Republicans move more right. That hasn't made me more or less left or right. I am still (on average) left of center. I am far left on some issues (mostly social), moderate on others, and right of center on some. I don't think I am "far right" on anything. But what do you see as views you hold that would be considered "left?"