Jack Smith document case in trouble; possible evidence tampering

[Mountain Man]

It looks like this will not happen until after the election. A big win for Trump...Sammy boy must be heart broken....

Things are certainly going to become very uncomfortable for Jack Smith going forward. He was pushing hard for a fast trial, but Cannon wisely reigned him in and scrutinized everything he presented to the court, and the closer she looked, the less she liked what she saw which ultimately resulted in this indefinite delay. I predict that the case will either be dismissed, or Smith will panic under the sunlight and will withdraw the charges to avoid further scrutiny.

[seer]

Things are certainly going to become very uncomfortable for Jack Smith going forward. He was pushing hard for a fast trial, but Cannon wisely reigned him in and scrutinized everything he presented to the court, and the closer she looked, the less she liked what she saw which ultimately resulted in this indefinite delay. I predict that the case will either be dismissed, or Smith will panic under the sunlight and will withdraw the charges to avoid further scrutiny.

And the fact that they let Biden off Scott Free...

[Sam]

Sorry, but you can't have the prosecution confess to mishandling and tampering with a key piece of evidence and then just carry on with the trial as if nothing happened. It's the equivalent of documenting objects to be in one location at a crime scene only for the photographs to show them in a different location. Which represents the truth, the documentation, or the photographs? It's impossible to say. Even worse is the fact that the prosecution initially lied to the court about it and said there were no discrepancies, and that they had maintained proper custody of the evidence. Which begs the question: what else has the prosecution lied about? Sure, they can claim they are still able to confidently match documents to their placeholders, but can they really? It's now all fruit from a poison tree.

No, this isn't the only reason Judge Cannon put the brakes on the trial, but it is a very significant one (I suspect it falls under discovery disputes since the prosecution was not honest about the evidence that was in their possession). As one commenter said, the tables have turned, and for all intents and purposes, it is Jack Smith who is now on trial.

That's not what fruit from the poisonous tree means.

Which "key piece of evidence" has been tampered with? The prosecution certainly has not "confessed" to evidence tampering and the mishandling of documents within a particular box does not rise to the point of invalidating the fact that those documents were found within those boxes at Mar-a-Lago. Even if it did, these are a few relevant documents among many; if the prosecution cannot use two or three classified documents out of mishandling concerns, it has scores more from which to choose.

The prosecution did not lie to the court; it acknowledges that what it had conveyed, on information, turned out to be inaccurate. This is routine for both prosecution and defense.

You'll have to keep fishing.

-Sam

[Mountain Man]

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[Sam]

How are Ben Garrison's comics getting even lazier and how is that possible is my question.

[Ronson]

Things are certainly going to become very uncomfortable for Jack Smith going forward. He was pushing hard for a fast trial, but Cannon wisely reigned him in and scrutinized everything he presented to the court, and the closer she looked, the less she liked what she saw which ultimately resulted in this indefinite delay. I predict that the case will either be dismissed, or Smith will panic under the sunlight and will withdraw the charges to avoid further scrutiny.

Do you think the judge can read the writing on the wall and does not want to be part of this railroading effort? I wouldn't. I would either try to hand off the case, or postpone it (as she has done). Get on the right side of history, honey!

[Mountain Man]

How are Ben Garrison's comics getting even lazier and how is that possible is my question.

Not related to the thread, but this one actually made me laugh out loud...

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[Ronson]

I'm convinced elected officials are exposed to carrots and sticks by the establishment machinery once they reach Congress. If they don't play the game, they will end up a lame duck or end up in court (like OMB).

[Mountain Man]

That's not what fruit from the poisonous tree means.

Which "key piece of evidence" has been tampered with? The prosecution certainly has not "confessed" to evidence tampering and the mishandling of documents within a particular box does not rise to the point of invalidating the fact that those documents were found within those boxes at Mar-a-Lago. Even if it did, these are a few relevant documents among many; if the prosecution cannot use two or three classified documents out of mishandling concerns, it has scores more from which to choose.

The prosecution did not lie to the court; it acknowledges that what it had conveyed, on information, turned out to be inaccurate. This is routine for both prosecution and defense.

You'll have to keep fishing.

-Sam

It looks like my suspicion that Smith and his team may have added additional material to the boxes in order to build a case against the President was 100% correct:

Jay Bratt, who was the lead DOJ prosecutor on the investigation at the time and now is assigned to Smith’s team, described the photo this way in his August 30, 2022 response to Trump’s special master lawsuit:

“[Thirteen] boxes or containers contained documents with classification markings, and in all, over one hundred unique documents with classification markings…were seized. Certain of the documents had colored cover sheets indicating their classification status. (Emphasis added.) See, e.g., Attachment F (redacted FBI photograph of certain documents and classified cover sheets recovered from a container in the ‘45 office’).”

The DOJ’s clever wordsmithing, however, did not accurately describe the origin of the cover sheets. In what must be considered not only an act of doctoring evidence but willfully misleading the American people into believing the former president is a criminal and threat to national security, agents involved in the raid attached the cover sheets to at least seven files to stage the photo.

Classified cover sheets were not “recovered” in the container, contrary to Bratt’s declaration to the court. In fact, after being busted recently by defense attorneys for mishandling evidence in the case, Bratt had to fess up about how the cover sheets actually ended up on the documents.

Here is Bratt’s new version of the story, where he finally admits a critical detail that he failed to disclose in his August 2022 filing:

“[If] the investigative team found a document with classification markings, it removed the document, segregated it, and replaced it with a placeholder sheet. The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose.”

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/...oogle_vignette

As the late, great Rush Limbaugh used to say, "Don't doubt me, folks!"

[seer]

As the late, great Rush Limbaugh used to say, "Don't doubt me, folks!"

I miss Rush...

[Sam]

It looks like my suspicion that Smith and his team may have added additional material to the boxes in order to build a case against the President was 100% correct:

Jay Bratt, who was the lead DOJ prosecutor on the investigation at the time and now is assigned to Smith’s team, described the photo this way in his August 30, 2022 response to Trump’s special master lawsuit:

“[Thirteen] boxes or containers contained documents with classification markings, and in all, over one hundred unique documents with classification markings…were seized. Certain of the documents had colored cover sheets indicating their classification status. (Emphasis added.) See, e.g., Attachment F (redacted FBI photograph of certain documents and classified cover sheets recovered from a container in the ‘45 office’).”

The DOJ’s clever wordsmithing, however, did not accurately describe the origin of the cover sheets. In what must be considered not only an act of doctoring evidence but willfully misleading the American people into believing the former president is a criminal and threat to national security, agents involved in the raid attached the cover sheets to at least seven files to stage the photo.

Classified cover sheets were not “recovered” in the container, contrary to Bratt’s declaration to the court. In fact, after being busted recently by defense attorneys for mishandling evidence in the case, Bratt had to fess up about how the cover sheets actually ended up on the documents.

Here is Bratt’s new version of the story, where he finally admits a critical detail that he failed to disclose in his August 2022 filing:

“[If] the investigative team found a document with classification markings, it removed the document, segregated it, and replaced it with a placeholder sheet. The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose.”

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/...oogle_vignette

As the late, great Rush Limbaugh used to say, "Don't doubt me, folks!"

You're just regurgitating material from elsewhere that's already been cited from the Special Counsel here, indicating that you didn't read it the first time.

-Sam

[Mountain Man]

You're just regurgitating material from elsewhere that's already been cited from the Special Counsel here, indicating that you didn't read it the first time.

-Sam

Yes, let's just flippantly ignore the fact that FBI agents literally planted evidence to frame the President!

And then Smith confessed that his team continued tampering with the evidence afterwards.

This quickly veered into "corruption" territory.

[seer]

Another Trump Trial Derailed: Fani-Donating Judge's Decision To Keep Her On RICO Trial Under Scrutiny By Appeals Court

One day after former President Donald Trump's classified documents trial was postponed indefinitely after we learned that the DOJ mishandled evidence in the case (with Judge Aileen M. Cannon citing a mountain of 'outstanding' pre-trial matters that would make a May 20 trial 'imprudent'), another Trump case appears to have no chance of going to trial before the 2024 election.

On Wednesday, a Georgia appeals court agreed to review a lower court ruling which allowed Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis to remain on the Trump RICO prosecution despite being highly conflicted.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...co-trial-under

[Sam]

Yes, let's just flippantly ignore the fact that FBI agents literally planted evidence to frame the President!

And then Smith confessed that his team continued tampering with the evidence afterwards.

This quickly veered into "corruption" territory.

Neither of those things is correct. Cover sheets and placeholder documents aren't "planting evidence" and no one "confessed to tampering with the evidence afterwards".

You've made a Herculean effort at twisting yourself up from a meritless complaint into a full-blown conspiracy but the facts remain on the table (or the floor, in this case).

-Sam

[JimL]

The stormtroopers might have scrambled the folders when they scattered them for photo ops. CNN was getting impatient and told them to hurry up.

The Russian mouthpiece speaks again! The U.S. and it's democratic institutions are all corrupt he says. Its a giant conspiracy, they're all conspiring, all out to get the completely innocent Trump he'd have you believe.Trump, the treasonous Authoritarian who in front of his very eyes attempted a coup to overthrow democracy itself he denies, who obstructed the FBI from retrieving stolen documents he denies, whose tax fraud, whose charity fraud, whose fake college fraud, whose campaign finance fraud he denies, his fake electors scheme he denies, whose sexual depravity and rape charges he denies. It's all just a giant Government Conspiracy out to get Trump. Y'all can't be that stupid, can you? I don't think so!