London Police; You Look Jewish...

[seer]

As our dear friend Diogenes likes to point out not all Israeli citizens are Jews.

So no one doubts that it is a Jewish state.

Therefore a question: Was condemnation of the illegal bombing of Cambodia defaming the American people?

That was a moral good since they were allowing the NVA to use their lands and send men and arms south to kill Americans and South Vietnamese.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Why what?

It is a question in response to what you wrote here:

Again, unless you can prove that this war is genocide then you are slandering the Jewish government (made up mostly of Jews) and that is anti Semitic.

That government was elected by the people,

And? So was yours. That has not prevented you from criticising it. Nor do you and various others who post to this board support it.

and I believe the majority still wants Hamas destroyed.

What you believe and facts are not necessarily the same.

Remember the people you are supporting, or at least giving cover for, want the Jewish state destroyed. From the river to the sea...

Does that include all the Jews who are protesting, amongst whom are Holocaust survivors and the descendants of Holocaust survivors?

Most Israelis want Hamas crushed despite Gaza casualties, UN rebuke

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ke-2023-12-13/[/QUOTE]

I would question the accuracy of some the comments in that article.

[Sparko]

As our dear friend Diogenes likes to point out not all Israeli citizens are Jews.

So? That doesn't change the fact that Israel is a Jewish nation. Not all citizens of Iran are Muslim but Iran is a Muslim nation.

[seer]

It is a question in response to what you wrote here:

Again, unless you can prove that this war is genocide then you are slandering the Jewish government (made up mostly of Jews) and that is anti Semitic.

And? So was yours. That has not prevented you from criticising it. Nor do you and various others who post to this board support it.

One big difference, there is one dominate race or ethnic group in Israel, so by default you are attacking a Jewish state, again the only Jewish state on earth.

What you believe and facts are not necessarily the same.

The fact is that the majority of Israelis want Haas destroyed. Which mean you are not just against the government of Israel but the people of Israel. You know, Jews...

Does that include all the Jews who are protesting, amongst whom are Holocaust survivors and the descendants of Holocaust survivors?

Yes, it is easy to criticize when you live in safely in the West. I wonder how they would feel if they were living in Kibbutz Nir Oz during the attack. And of course you are using these Holocaust survivors to cover for your anti Israeli beliefs.

I would question the accuracy of some the comments in that article.

Of course you would, but why. They were attacked in the most brutal way.

[Roy]

You likened criticism of "the Israeli government" to prejudice against "anyone with African ancestry"

Yes I did.

If criticism of '"the Israeli government" is like prejudice against "anyone with African ancestry", its even more like prejudice against "anyone with Semitic ancestry". Which is anti-Semitism.

So whether you meant it or not, your crack about racism in response to criticism of a government , is effectively saying that criticism of the Israeli government is anti-Semitic.

You aren't stupid enough to not understand this, or to not understand the difference between the current Israeli government vs all Jews.

[Sparko]

If criticism of '"the Israeli government" is like prejudice against "anyone with African ancestry", its even more like prejudice against "anyone with Semitic ancestry". Which is anti-Semitism.

So whether you meant it or not, your crack about racism in response to criticism of a government , is effectively saying that criticism of the Israeli government is anti-Semitic.

You aren't stupid enough to not understand this, or to not understand the difference between the current Israeli government vs all Jews.

These protests are not just criticism of the Israeli government Roy. That is not what is happening on campuses. They are anti-Israel existing. Anti-Zionism. Anti-zionism is against Israel existing as a country at all. It is believing that Jews should not have their own homeland. No Jewish state at all. It is not saying "Israel's policy on X is wrong and they should change it" it is "Israel should not exist, we need to destroy the country and drive out all Jews"

And that is what these protests are about: Destroying Israel, and establishing "Palestine" in it's place. That is what "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea" means. Anti-Zionism is racist and anti-semitic.

from the ADL:

Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism, the movement for the self-determination and statehood of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel. Anti-Zionism is often expressed, explicitly or implicitly in the rejection of Jewish nationhood and the right to self-determination; the vilification of individuals and groups associated with Zionism; and the downplaying or negation of the historic and spiritual Jewish connection to the land of Israel.

Anti-Zionism is distinct from criticism of the policies or actions of the government of Israel, or critiques of specific policies of the pre-state Zionist movement, in that it attacks the foundational legitimacy of Jewish statehood.

Anti-Zionism is antisemitic, in intent or effect, as it invokes anti-Jewish tropes, is used to disenfranchise, demonize, disparage, or punish all Jews and/or those who feel a connection to Israel, equates Zionism with Nazism and other genocidal regimes, and renders Jews less worthy of sovereignty and nationhood than other peoples and states.

Sometimes, people make anti-Zionist statements without an understanding of what Zionism or anti-Zionism is, but rather because they think opposing Zionism is the same as opposing Israeli government policy. In these cases, there might not be a realization that this disavowal of Zionism and Zionists can have the effect of rejecting the fundamental legitimacy of Jewish statehood and those who feel a connection to it, including most Jewish people. Sometimes this conflation is intentional, with the objective of deliberately condemning Zionism, the foundational ideology of the Jewish state, as the root cause of problematic policies or all conflict in the Middle East.

There are some rare cases of individuals who reject Zionism because of their rejection of all forms of nation-states, or marginal Haredi (ultra-orthodox) Jewish sects who believe that Judaism prohibits Jewish sovereignty in the biblical land of Israel until the Messiah comes. Some Palestinians may call themselves anti-Zionists because of how they perceive Zionism has impacted them personally.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

One big difference, there is one dominate race or ethnic group in Israel, so by default you are attacking a Jewish state, again the only Jewish state on earth.

Jews are not a race. The notion of races is a later European construct, that gained further momentum in he nineteenth century with the development of anthropology and the construct of invoking physical stereotypes that would be deemed racist.. There is one race, the human race, and we can all interbreed very successfully. And one state for one particular group can easily be viewed as elitist. .

The fact is that the majority of Israelis want Haas destroyed.

On what evidence?

Of course you would, but why. They were attacked in the most brutal way.

I questioned the accuracy of the some of the comments in the article not the atrocity of 7 October.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

So? That doesn't change the fact that Israel is a Jewish nation. Not all citizens of Iran are Muslim but Iran is a Muslim nation.

See above.

[tabibito]

Jews are not a race. The notion of races is a later European construct, that gained further momentum in he nineteenth century with the development of anthropology and the construct of invoking physical stereotypes that would be deemed racist.

Josephus uses "race" variously to mean the animal kingdom, (species) human, and (subspecies) ethnicity - such as Jewish or

So they presently invited Artabanus, king of Media, to be their king, he being also of the race of Arsaces.

Josephus, Flavius. The Works of Josephus: Complete and Unabridged (p. 3671). www.DelmarvaPublications.com. Kindle Edition.

Philo uses "race" in an even more extended fashion, referring to the raceS of trees, of birds, of fish etc, and with an 'elitist' view of the Hebrew race:

"the king of Egypt, ... says, “For behold,” ... “the race of the children of Israel is a great Multitude. ... these facts ... bear witness to the race which had the power of beholding the living God, that it had derived increase both in manner and in magnitude, and as having done so, had met with prosperity, both in its life and in its language;

Philo Judaeus. Delphi Complete Works of Philo of Alexandria (Illustrated) (Delphi Ancient Classics Book 77) . Delphi Classics. Kindle Location 10081 - 10083

Evidence for the development of race as a 19th Century construct seems rather lacking.

[Sparko]

See above.

Are you an anthropologist? Ethinicity and race is a complex topic. Perhaps you should stay in your own lane.

[rogue06]

Are you an anthropologist? Ethinicity and race is a complex topic. Perhaps you should stay in your own lane.

There was a time that she claimed to possess a level of expertise in anthropology, but after a couple of faceplants she quickly dropped it and denied that she had ever made the claim (although OBP linked to a post where she did).

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

There was a time that she claimed to possess a level of expertise in anthropology, but after a couple of faceplants she quickly dropped it and denied that she had ever made the claim (although OBP linked to a post where she did).

Please do not lie, not even to impress your friend.

Nowhere have I ever "claimed to possess a level of expertise in anthropology".

[Sparko]

Please do not lie, not even to impress your friend.

Nowhere have I ever "claimed to possess a level of expertise in anthropology".

Then perhaps you should not pontificate on the subject. It's complex.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Then perhaps you should not pontificate on the subject. It's complex.

Except that I have never pontificated on anthropology.

You need a dictionary.

Pontificate: To express opinions or judgments in a dogmatic way.

Given the manner in which you, and several others, express your views that term is actually more applicable to you.

[Sparko]

Except that I have never pontificated on anthropology.

You need a dictionary.

Pontificate: To express opinions or judgments in a dogmatic way.

Given the manner in which you, and several others, express your views that term is actually more applicable to you.

Are you a linguist? The English language is a complex topic. Perhaps you should refrain from commenting on English words and their use.