You White Racist Women!

[Starlight]

It depends on the current hierarchy of oppressed groups. I've been a bit busy lately, so I'm not up on whether people of color are more oppressed than women; this merits some research.

"Defend the oppressed." Isaiah 1:17
"uphold the rights of the oppressed" Psalm 82:3
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves; ensure justice for those being crushed." Proverbs 31:8

You make caring for the oppressed and being considerate of those in need sound so legalistic and hard. Can I suggest that a general bit of kindheartedness and good-will are really all that is needed? If you listen to people's concerns and have a bit of sympathy for their plight, and don't be too quick to judge... then you'll be a liberal in no time. Incidentally, the bible would also approve.

A lot of women get made uncomfortable by the amount of catcalls guys give them, this black guy feels bad about the way people respond when he walks down the street, a lot of gay couples are scared of holding hands in public because of the potential reaction of bystanders... It's always worth hearing and pondering different people's experiences, and realize that walking down the street without incident -something most of us take for granted- isn't necessarily possible for everyone. And then it's worth thinking about whether you're okay with that, or whether your compassion tends to make you want to alter these social dynamics to include the excluded and help the downtrodden.

[Charles]

Why don't you demand proof from the guy who made the claim in the article?

Is he taking part in this discussion? Do you have his e-mail? Seriously, Sparko...

[Charles]

Dude, seriously. People slam into each other all the time in NYC - and especially men. Heck, they even named the phenomenon "manslamming"

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/n...sidewalks.html
http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...mp-into-3.html
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...mp-into-people

Dude, seriously. Thank you for bringing something to strengthen the case. Interesting, I will look into it.

It still does not answer the question why even asking for facts was a defence, but you did not make that statement.

[Charles]

I'm not sure who you think you're fooling.

What is your point? Again no line of reasoning, just a statement. You have got to actually confront the statements if you think you have anything of value.

[Sparko]

Is he taking part in this discussion? Do you have his e-mail? Seriously, Sparko...

So you accept his view uncritically because you don't have his email to ask him if can prove what he claimed, yet I who posted that I doubted his claims because he provided no proof, and everyone I know, including myself, has had completely different experiences in New York, must provide proof or you believe this guy with no proof.

wow.

[Mountain Man]

Is he taking part in this discussion? Do you have his e-mail? Seriously, Sparko...

Seriously, Chuck... the fact that you were immediately suspicious of our claims but not his says it all. Like I said, I'm not sure who you think you're fooling here.

[Charles]

So you accept his view uncritically because you don't have his email to ask him if can prove what he claimed, yet I who posted that I doubted his claims because he provided no proof, and everyone I know, including myself, has had completely different experiences in New York, must provide proof or you believe this guy with no proof.

wow.

I would not ask for evidence if I just tool his word for it. Quite simple.

[Cow Poke]

"Defend the oppressed." Isaiah 1:17
"uphold the rights of the oppressed" Psalm 82:3
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves; ensure justice for those being crushed." Proverbs 31:8

So now you're advocating for the abolition of abortion?

[Zymologist]

So now you're advocating for the abolition of abortion?

He's also now pro-death penalty, apparently.

Is...is Starlight becoming right-wing?

[Charles]

Seriously, Chuck... the fact that you were immediately suspicious of our claims but not his says it all. Like I said, I'm not sure who you think you're fooling here.

All I did was to ask for evidence. If I was not thinking you could be right and he could be wrong then asking for that would not make sense at all. So I am not trying to fool anyone. However your reaction seems a bit biased to be honest.

[Mountain Man]

He's also now pro-death penalty, apparently.

Is...is Starlight becoming right-wing?

Alt-Right, baby!

[Sparko]

I would not ask for evidence if I just tool his word for it. Quite simple.

exactly. You don't care about the truth, just whether what someone says fits with your already held beliefs about something. Exactly like JimL and Tassman. You all will uncritically accept any information that fits your preconceptions and demand absolute scientific proof of any little thing that does not.

You don't care about finding the truth, just about finding an excuse not to accept anything contrary to your preconceptions.

[Charles]

exactly. You don't care about the truth, just whether what someone says fits with your already held beliefs about something. Exactly like JimL and Tassman. You all will uncritically accept any information that fits your preconceptions and demand absolute scientific proof of any little thing that does not.

You don't care about finding the truth, just about finding an excuse not to accept anything contrary to your preconceptions.

If I did not care I would not ask for evidence. Of course I care.

[Sparko]

If I did not care I would not ask for evidence. Of course I care.

You ask ME for evidence, knowing I was just giving my opinion just as the author did. Why? Because you don't want to believe me, so you give me a hard task so that you don't have to accept what I have to say. On the other hand, you just blindly accept the author of the "study" without questioning him because you want to agree with him. You turn your "skeptic meter" way up for anything you don't want to accept and way down for anything you do want to accept. That is not seeking truth, but mere confirmation.

[Charles]

You ask ME for evidence, knowing I was just giving my opinion just as the author did. Why? Because you don't want to believe me, so you give me a hard task so that you don't have to accept what I have to say. On the other hand, you just blindly accept the author of the "study" without questioning him because you want to agree with him. You turn your "skeptic meter" way up for anything you don't want to accept and way down for anything you do want to accept. That is not seeking truth, but mere confirmation.

Wrong. I was asking for evidence because he could be wrong and you could be right. Hard to determine in a word against word situation. That is why I asked for evidence, because I care about the truth.