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[rogue06]

You didn't read your own citations and/or didn't understand what the referenced graphics were saying and how they differed in what they are counting.

Too many memes, too little care.

-Sam

The pro-HAMAS party has been declaring that women and children were the majority of casualties. This has been repeated uncritically by the MSM although a few will mention where the numbers come from. Now we know this was B.S. Kind of like the B.S. that an Israeli missile struck a hospital killing 500 with the NYT even showing pictures of a bombed out building claiming it was the hospital.

[oxmixmudd]

If you actually bothered to read the OP it has to do with the number of women and children killed, which the UN has slashed the number by nearly half.

So it looks like combat-aged men were falsely being listed as women and children in order to give a false impression regarding who has died during the fighting. This appears to indicate that the IDF is being far more careful avoiding civilian casualties than they've been given credit for -- which is a nearly impossible job given HAMAS' well documented proclivity for using women and children as human shields.

Let's not forget how, fairly early on, Hamas snipers shot at anyone trying to leave that pediatric hospital where they were being used as human shields as Israeli forces moved in.

You are smarter than this. Reality is not to be found in the ideologically driven 'reports' of either the IDF or Hamas.

However, what is fact is that what you are posting is spin on a change to accounting that ignores reality to prop up ideology.

Whatever the real situation is, what is not spin is that the change in numbers is not related to false reporting, but rather a change in accounting where the lower set of numbers is based on whether or not a dead body has been identified.

That doesn't change the number of dead bodies, and it makes no 'admission', one way or the other, about the accuracy of the count of dead bodies. It only says that of the number of dead bodies reported, the number that can be identified is less than the total number reported.

[rogue06]

You are smarter than this. Reality is not to be found in the ideologically driven 'reports' of either the IDF or Hamas.

However, what is fact is that what you are posting is spin on a change to accounting that ignores reality to prop up ideology.

Whatever the real situation is, what is not spin is that the change in numbers is not related to false reporting, but rather a change in accounting where the lower set of numbers is based on whether or not a dead body has been identified.

That doesn't change the number of dead bodies, and it makes no 'admission', one way or the other, about the accuracy of the count of dead bodies. It only says that of the number of dead bodies reported, the number that can be identified is less than the total number reported.

The problem is how so many uncritically accepts reports from HAMAS-controlled outlets and mindlessly regurgitate them as unassailable facts. We have been hearing how the majority of casualties have been women and children over and over, again and again. It is put forth as one of the major reasons, if not "the" major reason, that Israel has to stop.

Now, finally, the facts are leaking out and the number of women and children reportedly killed are actually only roughly half the number who have actually died. While that number is still too high, it does provide evidence that the IDF has been for the most part been bending over backwards trying to minimize civilian casualties in stark contrast to how HAMAS deliberately targeted women and children. That this is a near impossible task is due in large part to HAMAS using women and children as human shields -- something the pro-HAMAS faction around here is either silent about or try to spin away.

[eider]

The pro-HAMAS party has been declaring that women and children were the majority of casualties. This has been repeated uncritically by the MSM although a few will mention where the numbers come from. Now we know this was B.S. Kind of like the B.S. that an Israeli missile struck a hospital killing 500 with the NYT even showing pictures of a bombed out building claiming it was the hospital.

How many children have been killed, according to UN stats?
Why has the UN been unabled to included 10000 bodies in its list yet?

If you don't know then go find out.

[eider]

Whatever the real situation is, what is not spin is that the change in numbers is not related to false reporting, but rather a change in accounting where the lower set of numbers is based on whether or not a dead body has been identified.

Bingo!
That's 10,000 bodies to be included in the list of victims, if they can be identified.

But you won't get too much response from the extreme right winger propagandists about that.

[Cow Poke]

Bingo!
That's 10,000 bodies to be included in the list of victims, if they can be identified.

But you won't get too much response from the extreme right winger propagandists about that.

How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas firing missiles from positions where there are concentrations of their own civilians who get caught in return fire?
How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas executing them for trying to leave areas where Hamas is launching missiles?
How many of those bodies are a result of failure of Hamas' missiles to clear the area before exploding?
How many of those bodies are Hamas militants?
How many of those bodies are citizens assisting Hamas militants?

Where do the numbers come from?
Reuters cites the "Palestinian health authorities"

And, later in that same article...

The Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification.

[eider]

How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas firing missiles from positions where there are concentrations of their own civilians who get caught in return fire?
How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas executing them for trying to leave areas where Hamas is launching missiles?
How many of those bodies are a result of failure of Hamas' missiles to clear the area before exploding?
How many of those bodies are Hamas militants?
How many of those bodies are citizens assisting Hamas militants?

Where do the numbers come from?
Reuters cites the "Palestinian health authorities"

And, later in that same article...

The Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification.

Whatever fits with your rather extremist imagination, I guess.

Even your own country is installing piers on the Gaza beach for landing aid to needy Palestinians .
How do you feel about that?

[rogue06]

How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas firing missiles from positions where there are concentrations of their own civilians who get caught in return fire?
How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas executing them for trying to leave areas where Hamas is launching missiles?
How many of those bodies are a result of failure of Hamas' missiles to clear the area before exploding?
How many of those bodies are Hamas militants?
How many of those bodies are citizens assisting Hamas militants?

Where do the numbers come from?
Reuters cites the "Palestinian health authorities"

And, later in that same article...

The Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification.

Let us not forget the exploding rocket that rained down flaming debris in a parking lot next to a hospital killing dozens and wounding many more.

Oh, that's right. We were told that was done by an Israeli missile fired from a jet at the hospital. And it killed at least 500 (whom I'll bet were all women and children). The NYT even published a picture of some burned out building falsely portraying it as the hospital in order to further the lie.

Basically, homemade rockets are notoriously unstable and unreliable. And it looks like those supplied by Iran aren't a whole lot better, if their use in an attack on Israel in retaliation for their attack in Syria which killed a top Iranian general, is any indication. But every time one falls short and crashes in Gaza instead of making it to Israel, you can bet your bottom dollar it will be described as an Israeli attack.

[Cow Poke]

Whatever fits with your rather extremist imagination, I guess.

Even your own country is installing piers on the Gaza beach for landing aid to needy Palestinians.

How bout taking another run at an actual sentence? I have a feeling it's not saying what you think it's saying.

[Sam]

The pro-HAMAS party has been declaring that women and children were the majority of casualties. This has been repeated uncritically by the MSM although a few will mention where the numbers come from. Now we know this was B.S. Kind of like the B.S. that an Israeli missile struck a hospital killing 500 with the NYT even showing pictures of a bombed out building claiming it was the hospital.

You didn't read your citations and refused to check your work even when it was shown and explained to you. Now you bounce over to just jumbling out talking points.

If you absolutely refuse to be led by data and reason and instead insist on only using or manipulating them when it's convenient, what's the payoff? Who are you even talking to?

-Sam

[Starlight]

How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas firing missiles from positions where there are concentrations of their own civilians who get caught in return fire?
How many of those bodies are a result of Hamas executing them for trying to leave areas where Hamas is launching missiles?
How many of those bodies are a result of failure of Hamas' missiles to clear the area before exploding?
How many of those bodies are Hamas militants?
How many of those bodies are citizens assisting Hamas militants?

There's a good article here on how Israel chose its targets. They used an AI system with generous thresholds to generate long target lists of possible Hamas members, and then hit all of them. They looked for things like 'moves around a lot', so unsurprisingly their system targeted so many journalists and doctors. They generally double-checked only that the primary target was male. Rather than trying to target the person in the field, they used their data about home ownership to target the person's home, and a second AI system was used to predict if the target was home for the night. The target's family were considered acceptable collateral damage. Quite early in the war, a shocking number of journalist's families were killed in their homes and it seemed like Israel was deliberately targeting them, but in hindsight it looks like it was probably this AI targeting.

As can be seen from their admitted strikes on UN refugee camps, they were prepared to kill hundreds in collateral damage to get a high value target.

So, to answer your questions, a negligible amount of the casualties will be from the first 3, maybe 0.1%. Perhaps 1-2% would be from the last 2, but that's something that's hard to measure.