Deport them all!

[Starlight]

And yet you are advocating allowing the illegal immigrants to work and be exploited.

I wouldn't have said I was advocating anything... I've been commenting here on various ideas without particularly much pushing any policy of my own.

There are a variety of approaches that the US could take on the issue. I'm not pro-immigration. I just think the rules around immigration should be rational, coherent, fact-based, efficient, and humane.

Best way to stop them from being exploited is to not let them into the country unless they have education and a marketable skill that will allow them to get a real job instead of being exploited as slaves.

One major way they get exploited is through the threat of deportation. Employers knowingly employ 'illegals', and then oppress them with terrible wages and conditions, knowing that these people can't go to authorities to complain or they will get deported. If America was concerned about exploitation of these people, that could be something to focus on, e.g. it could be relatively easily fixed by tough sentences for employers who employed such people. Such a policy could achieve a lot of the aims of conservatives because if illegal immigrants couldn't get such jobs there wouldn't be the economic incentive for them to come so a lot of them would stop coming and many existing ones would 'self-deport'.

However it's not clear to me that America in general (even conservatives) actually want that or wants to stop that exploitation, because the rest of America hugely benefits from the cheaper food and products that result from the exploitation of the cheap labor these people provide. Your current economy relies on the pseudo-slavery of these underpaid migrant workers. There doesn't seem to be any will to change that.

[rogue06]

First, how did these thugs get bail after gang beating two NYC officers? Second, they all need to go, everyone of them - whether they claim asylum or not...

Not just him given that you can find scores of images of sneering illegals "flipping the bird" (giving a middle finger salute) as they enter the country illegally, but deporting them all is just not going to happen.

[Sparko]

I wouldn't have said I was advocating anything... I've been commenting here on various ideas without particularly much pushing any policy of my own.

There are a variety of approaches that the US could take on the issue. I'm not pro-immigration. I just think the rules around immigration should be rational, coherent, fact-based, efficient, and humane.

One major way they get exploited is through the threat of deportation. Employers knowingly employ 'illegals', and then oppress them with terrible wages and conditions, knowing that these people can't go to authorities to complain or they will get deported. If America was concerned about exploitation of these people, that could be something to focus on, e.g. it could be relatively easily fixed by tough sentences for employers who employed such people. Such a policy could achieve a lot of the aims of conservatives because if illegal immigrants couldn't get such jobs there wouldn't be the economic incentive for them to come so a lot of them would stop coming and many existing ones would 'self-deport'.

However it's not clear to me that America in general (even conservatives) actually want that or wants to stop that exploitation, because the rest of America hugely benefits from the cheaper food and products that result from the exploitation of the cheap labor these people provide. Your current economy relies on the pseudo-slavery of these underpaid migrant workers. There doesn't seem to be any will to change that.

There are stiff penalties for hiring illegal workers.

Source: https://www.completepayroll.com/blog/whats-the-penalty-for-employing-an-illegal-immigrant

Criminal Penalty – Being found guilty of a criminal violation is punishable by a fine of up to $3,000 for each unauthorized alien and/or up to six months imprisonment.

© Copyright Original Source

And as I said earlier there are ways to legally hire non-citizen migrant workers with a work visa that allows them to come across the border to work for a few months and go back. Win/win for everyone. But they still pay them very little. It's like take this or we will hire the guy behind you.

[rogue06]

However it's not clear to me that America in general (even conservatives) actually want that or wants to stop that exploitation, because the rest of America hugely benefits from the cheaper food and products that result from the exploitation of the cheap labor these people provide. Your current economy relies on the pseudo-slavery of these underpaid migrant workers. There doesn't seem to be any will to change that.

Pelosi, who only someone who thinks Stalin was a right winger would call a conservative, got into hot water a couple years back for declaring that farmers need illegal immigrants to pick their crops. Whether or not she has hired illegals to work on her vineyard has been a question for years. She will not hire members of the United Farm Workers union, and experts have long said that most of the non-union workers picking grapes in Napa Valley are illegal immigrants. Add to that her hostility toward sanctions against the hiring of illegals, and one has to wonder.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I thought this was amusing

[seer]

I thought this was amusing

Hopefully his daughter isn't murdered by an illegal...

https://apnews.com/article/laken-ril...88e121b7b9c722

[seanD]

However it's not clear to me that America in general (even conservatives) actually want that or wants to stop that exploitation, because the rest of America hugely benefits from the cheaper food and products that result from the exploit
ation of the cheap labor these people provide. Your current economy relies on the pseudo-slavery of these underpaid migrant workers. There doesn't seem to be any will to change that.

White liberal: "We need colored people to pick our crops!"

[seer]

White liberal: "We need colored people to pick our crops!"

Stay in your lane homey...