Philandro Castile verdict

[myth]

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And to think that I've actually chastised other Twebber's for making fun of you, only to have you spew this vile hatred. I normally enjoy it when we argue, but you've lost your mind, friend.

Now you're gonna up the ante like this? And make a blanket statement that cops are "murderous cowards" in the other thread? For what? Because of my profession, and because I don't agree with you?

If that's the case, then you really are a snowflake, with all the fragility of spirit and lack of cognitive abilities the term implies. I used to think better of you.

[Starlight]

And to think that I've actually chastised other Twebber's for making fun of you, only to have you spew this vile hatred. I normally enjoy it when we argue, but you've lost your mind, friend.

Now you're gonna up the ante like this? And make a blanket statement that cops are "murderous cowards" in the other thread? For what? Because of my profession, and because I don't agree with you?

If that's the case, then you really are a snowflake, with all the fragility of spirit and lack of cognitive abilities the term implies. I used to think better of you.

Perhaps you shouldn't write ludicrous and demented posts defending the murder of innocent people in between talking down to me and telling me to 'breathe' and calling me a snowflake and telling me I've lost my mind? If you're going to act like a horrible jerk in response to my rational reasoned and calm posts, I'll treat you like one. You're clearly emotionally unraveling over this issue and projecting your wild over-emotionalism into the posts of Leo and I who are two of the calmest least-emotional and most over-rational posters on this forum.

Leo and I: "Having police officers be able to intentionally kill people and get away with it isn't really acceptable and should be stopped."
You: "OMG! ~heavy breathing~ You can't say that! Snowflake! Crazy! Something!!! ~heavy breathing~ You guys are waaaay to overemotional!!! ~heavy breathing rises to panicked breathing~ Fragile spirits! You've lost your minds! You can't hold police accountable! That's crazy! Breathe guys, breathe!!!"

[ke7ejx]

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Wow, I'm stunned. How does that bring people to your side, Starlight?

[Darth Executor]

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[Zymologist]

Wow, I'm stunned. How does that bring people to your side, Starlight?

Through rationality and reasoned calm, obviously.

[Teallaura]

Perhaps you shouldn't write ludicrous and demented posts defending the murder of innocent people in between talking down to me and telling me to 'breathe' and calling me a snowflake and telling me I've lost my mind? If you're going to act like a horrible jerk in response to my rational reasoned and calm posts, I'll treat you like one. You're clearly emotionally unraveling over this issue and projecting your wild over-emotionalism into the posts of Leo and I who are two of the calmest least-emotional and most over-rational posters on this forum.

Leo and I: "Having police officers be able to intentionally kill people and get away with it isn't really acceptable and should be stopped."
You: "OMG! ~heavy breathing~ You can't say that! Snowflake! Crazy! Something!!! ~heavy breathing~ You guys are waaaay to overemotional!!! ~heavy breathing rises to panicked breathing~ Fragile spirits! You've lost your minds! You can't hold police accountable! That's crazy! Breathe guys, breathe!!!"

And you're also both upset. Leo is at least rational - he probably will never agree with me but it's not because he didn't comprehend.

You aren't getting it at all - Myth doesn't agree with the officer or you. He's not arguing for justifiable homicide - which is what you're technically accusing him of. He's saying the officer wasn't clearly right - or committing a crime. In America, there's a long way between 'screw up' and 'criminal intent'.



Let me break it down for you: This is NOT okay.

It is not criminal.

It is not murder.

It is wrong.

It isn't fair.

It isn't okay.

It should not have happened.

The officer was not convicted based on the evidence.

It's not okay that the man died.





And finally, your actions in this thread aren't okay, either.

[Jedidiah]

If you're going to act like a horrible jerk in response to my rational reasoned and calm posts, I'll treat you like one.

If you ever made a rational reasoned and calm post we would be so surprised no one would know what to do.

[Starlight]

Wow, I'm stunned. How does that bring people to your side, Starlight?

My previous posts would do that.

That particular post just lets myth know his post was waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the bounds of acceptability. Instead of rationally responding to the points I made in my previous posts, he just attacked me as a person instead. That's not acceptable. Out of nowhere and for no rationale, he accused me of being mentally deranged, a snowflake, emotional etc. Such completely unprovoked and uncalled for personal attacks are just vastly beyond the bounds of acceptability. He then went on to defend the killing of innocents. Just no, that's just no acceptable in any way shape or form. If he wants to engage rationally and calmly the points that Leo and I have made, he can. But it's clear he's just way too personally involved on this topic and has just lost the plot, to the point I have to wonder if he's killed someone himself and is trying to convince himself it was justifiable.

[Leonhard]

seems like they do according to the news.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20170501/dan...-in-copenhagen
https://www.thelocal.dk/20170403/thr...rk-supermarket
https://www.thelocal.dk/20161123/two...store-shooting

I forgot to send a response to this post by you, sorry Sparko.

These are gang-related shootings. I know it sounds like a pro-gun lobby slogan, but in Denmark innocents don't have guns, but criminals do. They're imported. Danish gangs don't use guns on civilians though. They have no reason to. If three towering, beefy, leather jacket clad bikers show up, I don't care how country strong you are, you can't win a fight against them. Give them whatever they want as a self-defense and call the police.

If a police stops a normal person he can usually assume that the person isn't wearing a gun. They don't have any way of purchasing those, and the gangs aren't selling them anywhere unless you're deeply affiliated with them, you ain't getting a gun. At most they're illegally wearing a concealable knife of some sort.

[Starlight]

Danish gangs don't use guns on civilians though. They have no reason to.

Same situation here. Do gangs have a stash of guns? Yeah probably. Do they ever use those guns on innocents? No. Because why would they? At worst they use the guns to shoot at some opposing gang. But I haven't heard of such a thing happening in years. Police are pretty enthusiastic about seizing illegal firearms off gangs, so the gangs take pains to hide the fact that they have them by not using them, so everyone wins.

If three towering, beefy, leather jacket clad bikers show up, I don't care how country strong you are, you can't win a fight against them. Give them whatever they want as a self-defense and call the police.

Yep.

If a police stops a normal person he can usually assume that the person isn't wearing a gun. They don't have any way of purchasing those, and the gangs aren't selling them anywhere unless you're deeply affiliated with them, you ain't getting a gun. At most they're illegally wearing a concealable knife of some sort.

Yep same here. The police don't have guns because they don't need them, because nobody has guns. A friend of mine was robbed at knife-point 15 years ago, that's the usual weapon of choice for criminals.

Police here have started to all carry tasers, which has been very controversial and had mixed results. I think it's a step in the wrong direction, because it turns the police force from people who are there to calm down and deescalate situations, to dangerous people with weapons that it's all-too-convenient for them to use. I see Denmark simply has a complete ban on tasers, police included, which I think is a better way to go. They are not a very reliable tool for police to use because they often don't work, they have the danger of undesirable side-effects, and encourage escalation rather than deescalation.

[Bill the Cat]

..., to the point I have to wonder if he's killed someone himself and is trying to convince himself it was justifiable.

Dude, you are on fire in this thread. True colors are shining through like a Cindi Lauper song! Please keep it up.

[One Bad Pig]

Perhaps you shouldn't write ludicrous and demented posts defending the murder of innocent people in between talking down to me and telling me to 'breathe' and calling me a snowflake and telling me I've lost my mind? If you're going to act like a horrible jerk in response to my rational reasoned and calm posts, I'll treat you like one. You're clearly emotionally unraveling over this issue and projecting your wild over-emotionalism into the posts of Leo and I who are two of the calmest least-emotional and most over-rational posters on this forum.

Leo and I: "Having police officers be able to intentionally kill people and get away with it isn't really acceptable and should be stopped."
You: "OMG! ~heavy breathing~ You can't say that! Snowflake! Crazy! Something!!! ~heavy breathing~ You guys are waaaay to overemotional!!! ~heavy breathing rises to panicked breathing~ Fragile spirits! You've lost your minds! You can't hold police accountable! That's crazy! Breathe guys, breathe!!!"

You're hilarious.

[Sparko]

This case proves the need for body-cams. Because in the transcripts both Castile and his fiancee both claimed that he wasn't reaching for it.

but he was apparently reaching for something. The officer went from calmly saying "well don't reach for it then" to screaming "stop" as the guy said, "I am not reaching for it" yet kept reaching for SOMETHING. apparently it was his license. But if he had any sense, he would have stopped moving at all.

I am not saying it was his own fault he got shot. But he was not being smart by still moving after the officer says "well don't reach for it then" - at that point, the smart thing to do is to freeze. then say, "may I reach for my wallet?"

[Sparko]

Perhaps you shouldn't write ludicrous and demented posts defending the murder of innocent people in between talking down to me and telling me to 'breathe' and calling me a snowflake and telling me I've lost my mind? If you're going to act like a horrible jerk in response to my rational reasoned and calm posts, I'll treat you like one. You're clearly emotionally unraveling over this issue and projecting your wild over-emotionalism into the posts of Leo and I who are two of the calmest least-emotional and most over-rational posters on this forum.

Leo and I: "Having police officers be able to intentionally kill people and get away with it isn't really acceptable and should be stopped."
You: "OMG! ~heavy breathing~ You can't say that! Snowflake! Crazy! Something!!! ~heavy breathing~ You guys are waaaay to overemotional!!! ~heavy breathing rises to panicked breathing~ Fragile spirits! You've lost your minds! You can't hold police accountable! That's crazy! Breathe guys, breathe!!!"

actually, it looks like you are the emotional wreck here Star. Myth's posts seem pretty calm.

[Sparko]

I forgot to send a response to this post by you, sorry Sparko.

These are gang-related shootings. I know it sounds like a pro-gun lobby slogan, but in Denmark innocents don't have guns, but criminals do. They're imported. Danish gangs don't use guns on civilians though. They have no reason to. If three towering, beefy, leather jacket clad bikers show up, I don't care how country strong you are, you can't win a fight against them. Give them whatever they want as a self-defense and call the police.

and if the gun control laws in the USA are implemented the way the liberals want, then the innocent won't have guns in the USA, but the criminals will. I think that's a problem.

Sure you can have incidents like this where someone who legally has a gun gets shot. But you will have a lot MORE incidents where criminals with guns will shoot people without guns, when if those people had guns they could have protected themselves. Disarming the innocents just makes them easier targets.

If a police stops a normal person he can usually assume that the person isn't wearing a gun. They don't have any way of purchasing those, and the gangs aren't selling them anywhere unless you're deeply affiliated with them, you ain't getting a gun. At most they're illegally wearing a concealable knife of some sort

How can he tell if he is stopping a "normal person" and not a criminal with a gun? Do they wear name tags?