UNFCCC Accord de Paris

[rogue06]

Is this the Alex Jones conspiracy theory of Agenda 21 - the UN wants to use climate change to force us all to live in hobbit homes, to fuel their secret passion for hobbit homes?

Where did I say anything even remotely like that? Don't try to peddle your straw man arguments off on me.

I'm talking about how it can be and has been used to help justify and ever expanding bureaucratic layer of government.

Nixon was hardly in favor of reducing the over-all size of government but that doesn't speak for his motivation

[JimL]

Jim, this makes no sense. We are already beating just about every other country in Co2 reduction, we are a leader in green energy development, today we have more jobs in green energy than in fossil fuels and it is not slowing down. And is not going to stop this, and we are leading the world with our example, what other country has reduced their carbon foot print to 1992 levels with an increasing population? There is zero reason to be in this accord.

U.S. Outshines Other Countries in CO2 Emissions Reductions

http://instituteforenergyresearch.or...ns-reductions/

A 20-Year Low in U.S. Carbon Emissions

https://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...missions/?_r=0

Green jobs eclipse fossil fuel jobs.

http://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact...fficiency-2017

Seer you just don't get it, sure the U.S., as it should, has been making great strides on its own in reducing green house gases, thanks in part, but not solely to, the regulations put in place to achieve that end. Trump is not only pulling out of the agreement, but he is also rolling back those regulations which will reverse the trend of C02 reductions that we are currently achieving. But being ahead of many other countries today in reducing carbon emissions isn't the point, reaching the intended goal both locally and worldwide is the point, and doing that will take public investment in new green technologies. Staying in is a win win strategy. Opting out of the agreement, and rolling back current regulations is a poor example of U.S. leadership in this effort, and it is also a losing strategy economically. Where U.S. creates a void, China and other countries will fill it and profit from it. Trump is an idiot!

[Tassman]

Then you'd have no problem signing the Paris agreement and binding other countries to your awesome levels of accomplishments... right?

Trump and Scott Pruitt seem to be doing their best to stop it. But if you think you're leading the world, wonderful, why not create some sort of international agreement that gets the rest of the world to sign on to copying your amazing excellence?

Alternatively, you could be deluding yourself about your countries alleged awesomeness, and the actions that speak louder than words are that you don't feel your country can do what 195 other countries have agreed to do - America is apparently exceptionally useless and terrible.

The recent meeting of the G7 in Sicily saw Clown Trump lose what little respect other world leaders had left for him. The announcement that he was withdrawing the US from the Paris Climate Accord was in effect his confirmation that he was resigning as world leader. So much for the US's "alleged awesomeness".

[Tassman]

Very very clearly, I was talking about Tassman's "many leading figures in the US",

I was referring to: "Major U.S. corporations and leading business figures raising an eleventh-hour appeal to President Donald Trump, urging him to not pull the country out of the landmark 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change."

http://fortune.com/2017/06/01/apple-...-paris-accord/

Are you really so naive? Big big majority of those 195 are developing countries, also undeveloped countries! They're 'on board' because they want yuuuuuuuuge amount of free money from developed countries.

Says idiot who can't see that third world, also second world, are in it for free $$$ and tech.

And you "know" this how, exactly?

What a pity for Trump that things have moved consistently in a steady downward spiral from his glorious victory (albeit, not the popular vote) to a popularity rating of merely 37%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/ga...-approval.aspx

The worst in history at this stage of a presidency.

[Starlight]

The recent meeting of the G7 in Sicily saw Clown Trump lose what little respect other world leaders had left for him. The announcement that he was withdrawing the US from the Paris Climate Accord was in effect his confirmation that he was resigning as world leader. So much for the US's "alleged awesomeness".

Apparently Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has been personally ringing around US governors to get them on board with the new climate alliance. Looks like Canada is now the international leader of North America.

The US has become an 'exceptional' nation in the exceptionally bad senses of pretty much being the only nation to:
- not use the metric system
- not have paid parental leave
- not sign the UN convention on the human rights of children
- not be in the Paris Agreement
... go america...

[Tassman]

Apparently Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has been personally ringing around US governors to get them on board with the new climate alliance. Looks like Canada is now the international leader of North America.

http://www.burrardstreetjournal.com/...president-yet/does know about being worst president; he exemplifies it.

The US has become an 'exceptional' nation in the exceptionally bad senses of pretty much being the only nation to:
- not use the metric system
- not have paid parental leave
- not sign the UN convention on the human rights of children
- not be in the Paris Agreement
... go america...

Yep!

[Starlight]

http://www.burrardstreetjournal.com/...president-yet/does know about being worst president; he exemplifies it.

The article's satire, but it's something Trump and his supporters would say, which is what makes satire good in the first place.

[demi-conservative]

I was referring to: "Major U.S. corporations and leading business figures raising an eleventh-hour appeal to President Donald Trump, urging him to not pull the country out of the landmark 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change."

Like I said, people who signal to trick suckers like you!!!

And you "know" this how, exactly?

Because I'm not idiot like you who thinks countries like Zimbabwe, N Korea, Venezuela, etc etc really really care about climate science.

What a pity for Trump that things have moved consistently in a steady downward spiral from his glorious victory (albeit, not the popular vote) to a popularity rating of merely 37%.

From fake news who said 'no road to 270', 'Trump has <2% chance of winning' we now have 'Trump's approval sucks!!!!'

Perfect bait for fools like you!

[Tassman]

The article's satire, but it's something Trump and his supporters would say, which is what makes satire good in the first place.

It's a sad commentary on Trump that one can't tell the difference, especially as he actually referred to my prime minister as the President of Australia.

[Tassman]

Like I said, people who signal to trick suckers like you!!!

People and corporations etc cited by Fortune Magazine????

Because I'm not idiot.

From fake news who said 'no road to 270', 'Trump has <2% chance of winning' we now have 'Trump's approval sucks!!!!'

It does suck. But it's irrelevant. Clown Trump is going nowhere.

[demi-conservative]

Trump is going nowhere.

Yes, not looking like he'll be impeached like you libtards hoped!!

Back to serious stuff. From twitter of White House:



All that $$$$$

Can't imagine why all those poorer countries support Paris Accord

[seer]

Seer you just don't get it, sure the U.S., as it should, has been making great strides on its own in reducing green house gases, thanks in part, but not solely to, the regulations put in place to achieve that end. Trump is not only pulling out of the agreement, but he is also rolling back those regulations which will reverse the trend of C02 reductions that we are currently achieving. But being ahead of many other countries today in reducing carbon emissions isn't the point, reaching the intended goal both locally and worldwide is the point, and doing that will take public investment in new green technologies. Staying in is a win win strategy. Opting out of the agreement, and rolling back current regulations is a poor example of U.S. leadership in this effort, and it is also a losing strategy economically. Where U.S. creates a void, China and other countries will fill it and profit from it. Trump is an idiot!

No Jim, you are wrong, the vast majority of wind and solar in the US is being done by the private sector, and the better and cheaper the technology gets the more they will be used. Also natural gas played a big role in the reduction. And I have no problem with some government investment in R&D. And reducing carbon emissions is the point, the only point. So again we do not need to be apart of this accord to keep on the path that we are on. And this in no way means China or other countries will take the lead in green energy. That just doesn't follow!

[rogue06]

Clown Trump is going nowhere.

Giving up on the dream of impeachment?

[JimL]

No Jim, you are wrong, the vast majority of wind and solar in the US is being done by the private sector, and the better and cheaper the technology gets the more they will be used. Also natural gas played a big role in the reduction. And I have no problem with some government investment in R&D. And reducing carbon emissions is the point, the only point. So again we do not need to be apart of this accord to keep on the path that we are on. And this in no way means China or other countries will take the lead in green energy. That just doesn't follow!

Seer, the private sector is supported in its efforts by the public sector, where do you think that the public investments in renewable energy is going. Surely you remember Solyndra! And btw, China has already taken the lead in public investments in green energy, its one of the reasons that Solyndra failed.

[JimL]

[QUOTE=demi-conservative;446946]Yes, not looking like he'll be impeached like you libtards hoped!!

Back to serious stuff. From twitter of White House:


Try fact checking the speach! Trump is either ignorant, or an outright liar. Actually, I think that both descriptors are applicable in Trumps case.

All that $$$$$

Can't imagine why all those poorer countries support Paris Accord

Ah, the actual amount of money, which goes to help the poorer countries switch to greener technologies, is $10.3 billion, not $100 billion, and the U.S. has pledged $3 billion, $1 billion of which has already been paid into the Fund.