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PARTY PLATFORM COMPARISON 2020-2024 - Anybody Disagree?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    It's pretty slanted. I could tell it was written by someone like the Family Research Council long before I got to the bottom.

    All they want is a government that reflects their religion, and the only issues they care about are related to that.
    Are you suggesting that views of one party or the other are misrepresented? If so, which point or points do you feel are inaccurate?

    Because frankly, it looks like an objective and accurate breakdown of the issues to me.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      I started to respond in good faith to your post, but it's so full of crazy talk it's not worth my time.

      Run along, scoot -- go elsewhere, and take your horsie poo with you.
      Just settle down. Nobody likes a sore loser.

      BTW, watch out for an abundance of free speech and disinformation through the campaign period.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        Are you suggesting that views of one party or the other are misrepresented? If so, which point or points do you feel are inaccurate?

        Because frankly, it looks like an objective and accurate breakdown of the issues to me.
        Abortion, sex, and religion aren’t the only issues in a political platform. In that way, it’s not representative of both parties’ platforms.



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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          So, going to the extreme loony left for "fair and balanced"?

          Let's stick with the OP - which of the things that are portrayed as Democrat positions would you say are misrepresentative?
          You reject the biggest mainstream workers union as "extreme loony left" while apparently embracing the Family Research Council as "fair and balanced"?
          You're well over the horizon of insanely-far-right and accelerating into the distance.

          The OP list is a pretty weird set of topics. You'd have to have something badly wrong with you to think that was the list of interesting topics to compare the parties on in an election. But, given the choice of topics, the actual comparisons themselves look generally okayish to me: Republicans loathe LGBT people and are anti-abortion, and Dems hold the opposite views. Neither of those topics is likely to be affecting the lives of most voters, and seems an obvious propaganda attempt to distract voters from issues that actually affect them directly.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            You reject the biggest mainstream workers union as "extreme loony left" while apparently embracing the Family Research Council as "fair and balanced"?
            You're well over the horizon of insanely-far-right and accelerating into the distance.

            The OP list is a pretty weird set of topics. You'd have to have something badly wrong with you to think that was the list of interesting topics to compare the parties on in an election. But, given the choice of topics, the actual comparisons themselves look generally okayish to me: Republicans loathe LGBT people and are anti-abortion, and Dems hold the opposite views. Neither of those topics is likely to be affecting the lives of most voters, and seems an obvious propaganda attempt to distract voters from issues that actually affect them directly.
            Weird that no one else noticed this isn’t a comparison of actual platforms. It’s not just slanted but misrepresenting what a platform is. Platforms cover all the issues, not just culture war clickbait topics.

            It’s not surprising that CP gets his political information from the Family Research Council.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by whag View Post

              Weird that no one else noticed this isn’t a comparison of actual platforms. It’s not just slanted but misrepresenting what a platform is. Platforms cover all the issues, not just culture war clickbait topics.

              It’s not surprising that CP gets his political information from the Family Research Council.

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              Feel free to correct the infographic's alleged misrepresentation of Democrat stances on the topics outlined.
              P1) If , then I win.

              P2)

              C) I win.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                So, going to the extreme loony left for "fair and balanced"?
                I didn't say anything about "fair and balanced". I was going for something slanted as far to the left as yours is slanted to the right.

                Did you see anything there that was false?

                Let's stick with the OP - which of the things that are portrayed as Democrat positions would you say are misrepresentative?
                I don't see the Equality Act as something that would "gut religious liberty".

                But my main point was that restricting the choice of issues to a small portion of the platforms is not a reasonable way to compare the two parties.

                I thought this was a reasonably fair comparison of the two parties, though it's not quite up to date.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

                  Feel free to correct the infographic's alleged misrepresentation of Democrat stances on the topics outlined.
                  I didn’t allege misrepresentation in the outlined differences but rather pointed out those aren’t the GOP and Democratic platforms. It is an absurdly abridged list of what actual platforms look like. Actual platforms cover the topics I already listed but much more.

                  Obviously, governance involves more than culture war topics, and even in that regard it’s missing immigration, gun rights, social justice, social welfare, etc.

                  It’s the Readers’ Digest of party platform comparisons.
                  Last edited by whag; 08-25-2023, 09:44 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                    I didn't say anything about "fair and balanced". I was going for something slanted as far to the left as yours is slanted to the right.

                    Did you see anything there that was false?


                    I don't see the Equality Act as something that would "gut religious liberty".

                    But my main point was that restricting the choice of issues to a small portion of the platforms is not a reasonable way to compare the two parties.

                    I thought this was a reasonably fair comparison of the two parties, though it's not quite up to date.
                    That’s a much better comparison. Not exhaustive but not ridiculously abridged.

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                    • #25
                      The traditional GOP with a traditional political agenda is dead. The traditional Republicans Haley and Pence were boo’d at the recent debate. What is actually on offer is very different - but I doubt that they will be honest about it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                        I thought this was a reasonably fair comparison of the two parties, though it's not quite up to date.
                        It is an interesting comparison, and would have me leaning Democrat for the most part ... except

                        the Democrats in action don't seem to be following their platform.

                        Also, the Democrat attitude toward abortion on the face of it favours "individual rights" rather than the "social responsibility," which the bulk of their platform favours.



                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by whag View Post

                          I didn’t allege misrepresentation in the outlined differences but rather pointed out those aren’t the GOP and Democratic platforms. It is an absurdly abridged list of what actual platforms look like. Actual platforms cover the topics I already listed but much more.
                          So you're issue is over the usage of the word "platform"? Agahaha

                          Obviously, governance involves more than culture war topics, and even in that regard it’s missing immigration, gun rights, social justice, social welfare, etc.

                          It’s the Readers’ Digest of party platform comparisons.
                          People regularly vote topically and not on broad governance. For instance, a person who only cares about abortion up until birth or discarding abortion survivors would vote on that topic. If both candidates agree on that, the voter would have other issues to discern voting preference.

                          Dems support unfettered immigration as long as the filthy masses stay in border states, oppose gun right except for their bodyguards, use social (read Marxist)!justice to leave criminals to plunder stores, use social welfare to crowdfund their multiple home (a la Bernie), etc.
                          P1) If , then I win.

                          P2)

                          C) I win.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by whag View Post

                            Abortion, sex, and religion aren’t the only issues in a political platform. In that way, it’s not representative of both parties’ platforms.
                            Which is to say that the chart is perfectly accurate as far as it goes, you're just of the opinion that it's arguably incomplete.

                            Or perhaps you think the Democrat stance on abortion, sex, and religion is so poor that you want to see it offset by other issues where you think they can make a better showing.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                              It is an interesting comparison, and would have me leaning Democrat for the most part ... except

                              the Democrats in action don't seem to be following their platform.

                              Also, the Democrat attitude toward abortion on the face of it favours "individual rights" rather than the "social responsibility," which the bulk of their platform favours.


                              And therein lies the major flaw in my OP -- it assumes that both parties are acting like their platform lays it out.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by whag View Post
                                It’s not surprising that CP gets his political information from the Family Research Council....
                                What's less surprising is that you would make such a bone-headed ignorant assumption.

                                I offered something as a starting point for discussion - in the form of a QUESTION.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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