Miss USA: Health Care Is a Privilege, Not a Right...

[JimL]

Ah, there is the source of the miscommunication. The problem was that the context of your post #217 is that people were talking not about legal rights but about "basic human rights".


Okay I see what you are saying, but that use of "make a decisions" seems misleading at best. As a friendly suggestion, I suggest using different language for that in the future. Like, we don't say that we make a decision about whether the earth is round or flat. That language would make it sound like we are saying that a person could decide either way and thus make it so. "Making a decision" regarding what is moral makes it sound like you are denying objective morality. When talking about objective truths, "making a judgement" is perhaps better terminology. It better indicates the idea of trying to discover/apprehend what is the truth, as opposed to your decision causing something to become true.

Good points, thanks.

[Meh Gerbil]

Its called semantics. If the government entitles you to something, then you have a right to it. The terms may not always be used the same way, but they can be.

Typically when a conservative rants about entitlements he's ranting about the government subsidy of anonymous, alcohol-fueled fornication out behind the strip club.
The conservative isn't ranting about freedom of the press and so forth.

[Tassman]

This would be my point exactly.
Our government would engage in corporate profiteering.
A free market can naturally regulate that behavior.

[Tassman]

Typically when a conservative rants about entitlements he's ranting about the government subsidy of anonymous, alcohol-fueled fornication out behind the strip club.
The conservative isn't ranting about freedom of the press and so forth.

[Meh Gerbil]

The press discredited themselves when they became partisan shills.
How many lies do you expect me to hear over NPR before you'd consider it reasonable to turn it off?

Trump railing against the press is him just pointing out what every awake person already knows.

[Charles]

Trump railing against the press is him just pointing out what every awake person already knows.

One should be critic towards the press and their is certainly very good reason to doubt a lot of their reporting. However one should also be critical towards anyone who holds a position like Trumps. And Trumps use of the "fake news" label is way too convenient. And the reason he is getting away with it seems to be that too many put way too much trust in him.

[Tassman]

The press discredited themselves when they became partisan shills.

How many lies do you expect me to hear over NPR before you'd consider it reasonable to turn it off?

I suggest you listen and learn.

Trump railing against the press is him just pointing out what every awake person already knows.

What

[Starlight]

You're not one of those informed people who watch news, are you? ~gasp~

How will the crazy propagandists on the right in the US ever convince you of their BS talking points? They'll have to covfefe.

[Meh Gerbil]

One should be critic towards the press and their is certainly very good reason to doubt a lot of their reporting. However one should also be critical towards anyone who holds a position like Trumps. And Trumps use of the "fake news" label is way too convenient. And the reason he is getting away with it seems to be that too many put way too much trust in him.

It doesn't have anything to do with trusting Trump.
The press flat out lies continually - you'd be nuts to believe anything that they write.

Look, when the boy who cried wolf ended up dying in the woods was it the fault of the wolf or of the townspeople?

That story doesn't make the wolf (Trump) out to be the good guy but it does make the boy (the press) out to be an absolute fool.

[Meh Gerbil]

I'm not sure how hearing one side of the story makes you informed.
I thought skeptics were all about alternate points of view.

Oh wait, I never really actually thought that.

I suggest you listen and learn.

Every day I turn on NPR and I listen until I count three lies and then I turn it off.
My record so far is 45 seconds.

What

Yes, Trump is a pathological liar.
I have to ask for you to explain your point here because I know you don't feel that disqualifies him to be President.

[Starlight]

The press flat out lies continually

No.

They have slanted opinions, but that's not the same as lying or stating false facts, like Trump and his people do. The press tend to ignore bad things corporations and Wall St are doing and ignore bad things the government is doing when it benefits corporations / Wall St / the military-industrial complex, but that's not the same as lying or stating false facts, like Trump and his people do.

The idea that the press lies regularly is just completely bogus. Rogue or MM or someone mentioned that 2 articles were retracted in the last 6 months... that's not lying continuously, that's telling the truth 99.99% of the time.

[Meh Gerbil]

No.

They have slanted opinions, but that's not the same as lying or stating false facts, like Trump and his people do. The press tend to ignore bad things corporations and Wall St are doing and ignore bad things the government is doing when it benefits corporations / Wall St / the military-industrial complex, but that's not the same as lying or stating false facts, like Trump and his people do.

The idea that the press lies regularly is just completely bogus. Rogue or MM or someone mentioned that 2 articles were retracted in the last 6 months... that's not lying continuously, that's telling the truth 99.99% of the time.

Once at a youth retreat me and my mates were lined up for lunch.
Near us was a bell that we were told not to ring.
My friend Mark put his hand up near the bell to examine it so I bopped him on the elbow and the bell rang.

When the counselor asked me who rung the bell I replied, "Mark rang the bell."

Depending on how you decide to look at it one could say either my statement was 100% the truth or 100% a lie.
For the record: We were both punished, Mark for being fool enough to be near the bell and me for being foolish enough to bop his elbow.

When you leave out key information, when you highlight one fact over another to push your agenda, when you hint at things you dare not actually say you are lying in every meaningful sense of the word. The purpose of a lie isn't to tell a falsehood, the purpose of a lie to implant the wrong information in a person's head and that can be done using entirely true statements. The press, on every single point where I've investigated a claim, as lied almost continually.

Now if you want to believe them I don't really care - some people exhibit more credulity than I can comprehend, but hey, it's your life, knock yourself out.

[JimL]

Typically when a conservative rants about entitlements he's ranting about the government subsidy of anonymous, alcohol-fueled fornication out behind the strip club.
The conservative isn't ranting about freedom of the press and so forth.

Obviously not, doesn't seem to be something they care very much about.

[Meh Gerbil]

Obviously not, doesn't seem to be something they care very much about.

The Freedom of the Press doesn't mean anything if the press is just a mouth piece of the DNC spreading lies.
At that point you're just arguing for Freedom of Brainwashing.

[JimL]

The Freedom of the Press doesn't mean anything if the press is just a mouth piece of the DNC spreading lies.
At that point you're just arguing for Freedom of Brainwashing.

Well you don't need to worry about that, its obvious that the process has been used affectively on you.