'The Sound Of Freedom' - Child Sex Trafficking

[seanD]

Indeed, it's been viewed as a problem by the left for decades, and the left has consistently increased the penalties for it in many countries and pushed for better investigations and reporting of it. That nasty leftist UN has been consistently investigating and reporting on the issue.

What's weird, is the US far right, who didn't seem to be all that interested in the topic for many decades, has become suddenly so hyper-focused on it that they are even hallucinating it when it's not present (e.g. that Hillary Clinton's election team ordering pizzas meant they were operating a child sex slavery ring out of a pizza shop). The US far right's sudden swing from a lack of interest in the topic to of over-the-top obsession with the topic and conspiracies about it, comes across as mentally unhinged. It seems to be some sort of fad on the part of the right to focus on this topic, and they combine that with obsessive behavior about it.

It's weird: If they actually thought it was immoral like the left does, why haven't they being against it for decades like the left has? And assuming the right has changed their morality on a dime and now agrees with the left that it's a bad thing, why have they gone so over the top about it, as if it's suddenly the One Single Great Bad Thing that happens in the world and other moral evils are barely worth mentioning? That's not a rational approach and the hyperfocus speaks to some sort of pathology. It has all the trappings of a "Moral Panic", being such a sudden over the top interest in the topic.

I've got to suspect it has a connection to so many right wing and Christian groups and people who have been repeatedly revealed in the last couple of decades to have been involved in sexual molestation of children. All the reports coming out year after year finding that so many hundreds or thousands of authority figures in the Catholic Church, and in other churches, to have sexually abused children. The revelations of so many prominent Republican politicians to have done so, etc. Possibly a push to clean house in all these right-wing and conservative groups, after their crimes were uncovered, has led to a swath of new people coming to power in right-wing and conservative groups who are anti-it and determined to root it out? Perhaps there's a strong bit of projection of "well if My group was doing it, then Everyone Else must be doing it, right? Right?"

Perhaps some of the conservatives and right-wingers here could share why their interest in this topic has gone up recently by so many orders of magnitude? I have been browsing TWeb, a mainly right-wing mainly-conservative forum for over a decade, and would have said we got about one new thread on the topic per year... now we seem to get about one per week. So what do you guys think is the reason for your sudden high degree of interest in the topic?

Tl;dr.

And the bloviating parts are quickly skimmed over shows you don't know what you're talking about, as is usually the case. Child trafficking was on the radar of conservatives long before 2016, because subjects like Epstein, Jimmy Savile, UN scandals, the RCC scandals, etc., was a subject of conservation in conservative circles years before then, and is probably what brought it to the attention of leftist rags to even bother covering it. I know there were certain strange things in the email leaks of 2016 that involved prominent democrats that was being deciphered in chatrooms, but as far as "pizzagate," I have no clue where that came from, because it certainly didn't come from the conservative media I typically read. As far as I'm concerned it was probably just made up by leftists to cover up the fact people like the Clintons made frequent trips to Epstein's island.

[CivilDiscourse]

Indeed, it's been viewed as a problem by the left for decades, and the left has consistently increased the penalties for it in many countries and pushed for better investigations and reporting of it. That nasty leftist UN has been consistently investigating and reporting on the issue.

What's weird, is the US far right, who didn't seem to be all that interested in the topic for many decades, has become suddenly so hyper-focused on it that they are even hallucinating it when it's not present (e.g. that Hillary Clinton's election team ordering pizzas meant they were operating a child sex slavery ring out of a pizza shop). The US far right's sudden swing from a lack of interest in the topic to of over-the-top obsession with the topic and conspiracies about it, comes across as mentally unhinged. It seems to be some sort of fad on the part of the right to focus on this topic, and they combine that with obsessive behavior about it.

It's weird: If they actually thought it was immoral like the left does, why haven't they being against it for decades like the left has? And assuming the right has changed their morality on a dime and now agrees with the left that it's a bad thing, why have they gone so over the top about it, as if it's suddenly the One Single Great Bad Thing that happens in the world and other moral evils are barely worth mentioning? That's not a rational approach and the hyperfocus speaks to some sort of pathology. It has all the trappings of a "Moral Panic", being such a sudden over the top interest in the topic.

I've got to suspect it has a connection to so many right wing and Christian groups and people who have been repeatedly revealed in the last couple of decades to have been involved in sexual molestation of children. All the reports coming out year after year finding that so many hundreds or thousands of authority figures in the Catholic Church, and in other churches, to have sexually abused children. The revelations of so many prominent Republican politicians to have done so, etc. Possibly a push to clean house in all these right-wing and conservative groups, after their crimes were uncovered, has led to a swath of new people coming to power in right-wing and conservative groups who are anti-it and determined to root it out? Perhaps there's a strong bit of projection of "well if My group was doing it, then Everyone Else must be doing it, right? Right?"

Perhaps some of the conservatives and right-wingers here could share why their interest in this topic has gone up recently by so many orders of magnitude? I have been browsing TWeb, a mainly right-wing mainly-conservative forum for over a decade, and would have said we got about one new thread on the topic per year... now we seem to get about one per week. So what do you guys think is the reason for your sudden high degree of interest in the topic?

Evidence that the right wing didn't care when the left did?

[tabibito]

Interesting comments about "Sound of Freedom"

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[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Anyone watched The Sound of Freedom? I did yesterday, it's very good, very gripping, and very disturbing. I'm not one to usually have tears in my eyes during a movie, but especially a parent with kids, this one definitely got me. It's based on the true story of a former FBI agent Tim Ballard, and his work in Columbia with Operation Underground Railroad, a nonprofit group that works to rescue children from sex trafficking. It stars Jim Caviezel (likely most well known for portraying Jesus in Passion of the Christ, though I much preferred his work on the tv show Person of Interest) as Ballard.

The media (including one segment I saw on CNN which was clutching its pearls over the movie), however, seems to be losing their minds at the movie (Which had a pretty successful opening week), declaring it 'paranoid', 'Q-Anon tinged', 'Q-Anon adjacent', etc.... because apparently child sex trafficking doesn't actually happen and is all a conspiracy theory by Q-Anon. Sounds to me like something hit a little close to home.

Here's the rant that Rolling Stone offered:
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movi...ie-1234783837/
All that ranting over a movie that dares to show the reality of child human trafficking in the world. Makes me wonder what we'd see if we looked at the author's hard drive.

Then there is this shot and chaser of The Guardian and their take on Columbian child sex trafficking, versus their take on a movie literally about a true story about said sex trafficking in said country.

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Meanwhile, this was how both those publications covered the pedophilic movie Cuties which actually sexually exploited real young girls:

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movi...eview-1056197/
"‘Cuties’ Review: A Coming-of-Age Movie Caught in the Culture Wars


Thanks to a major marketing mistake, this award-winning French movie has been accused of sexualizing girls. It's actually a sensitive portrait of growing pains that deserves to be seen"

https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...-misunderstood
"Cuties review – Netflix's controversial child exploitation film is bold, flawed - and misunderstood"

You have seen one film, The Sound of Silence but have you seen Mignonnes [Cuties]?

[Gondwanaland]

You have seen one film, The Sound of Silence but have you seen Mignonnes [Cuties]?

Ah our resident child exploitation defender has entered the chat.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Ah our resident child exploitation defender has entered the chat.

I asked you a question. Have you seen the film Mignonnes?

[Gondwanaland]

I asked you a question. Have you seen the film Mignonnes?

I don't watch child porn, unlike you

[rogue06]

Let's use the example of 'murder' as the crime to illustrate how this obsession comes across to normal people...

You guys: "We've decided to be really against murder"
Normal people: "Ok. Everyone is."
You guys: "Yeah but we're actually really against it."
Normal people: ~roll eyes~ "Of course."
You guys: "We think it's the Worst Crime In the World, it's the taking of a life."
Normal people: "Yeah, it is harshly punished in the justice system."
You guys: "We're going to obsessively follow all reports of it worldwide and really dig into the details of case."
Normal people: "Everyone needs a hobby. Personally I like following sports. But you do you."
You guys: "We're going to form groups discussing the topic and really focusing on it."
Normal people: "Well sounds like it's social at least, that's kind of a good thing, though the topic sounds a bit morbid."
You guys: "This is our great Moral Crusade, our doing this is going to cleanse society."
Normal people: "Um... you realize that personally obsessing over it isn't going to achieve anything other than your personal enjoyment?"
You guys: "I'm going to post about it lots on the internet."
Normal people: "Ok, everyone needs a hobby."
You guys: "My internet posting is going to change the world. It's going to fix the problem."
Normal people: "Of course it isn't. But it's amusing you think that along with everyone else who writes passionate internet posts."
You guys: "Only we are against murder. Everyone else is complicit. The police aren't even investigating it."
Normal people: ??? "You realize you're reading police reports right? Of course they are investing it. You realize you can look up stats about the number of prosecutions of it right?"
You guys: "Nope, only we are the ones standing against this, nobody else is doing anything."
Normal people: ??? "The police have been prosecuting murderers for many decades."
You guys: "Nope, only we're doing anything."
Normal people: ??? "You know you're not actually doing anything, just getting yourselves worked up?"
You guys: "Nope, we're totally fixing the world on our great moral crusade."
Normal people: ??? "How exactly."
You guys: "By getting ourselves really worked up about it."
Normal people: "...sigh."

The guy who insists that Stalin was really a right-winger and supports post-birth abortion for up to a few months after a child is born wants to portray himself as "normal."

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[rogue06]

I don't think you're bad. I just think you're an idiot.

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[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I don't watch child porn, unlike you

You are therefore basing your condemnation i.e. your use of the phrase "child porn" on a film you have not seen, but upon which you are passing judgement premised entirely upon what you have read about it in sections of the popular press.

Perhaps I should adopt your approach with regard to The Sound of Silence

[tabibito]

I don't watch child porn, unlike you

From what I have been reading, the film suffers strongly from undeserved bad press.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

From what I have been reading, the film suffers strongly from undeserved bad press.

Was that comment a reference to The Sound of Silence or Mignonnes?

[tabibito]

Was that comment a reference to The Sound of Silence or Mignonnes?

Mignonnes

[Cow Poke]

Was that comment a reference to The Sound of Silence or Mignonnes?

The Sound of Music

[tabibito]

The Sound of Music

Makes sense. I wasn't sure if it was a reference to the 2019 comedy, or the 2023 horror movie, or the Simon and Garfunkel song.