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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYour points are silly, so I ignored them. You can pick any oppressed group - e.g. blacks or native americans"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThese kids are "as young as 2 years old"!
What is it about that that fits the liberal idea of "teaching kids about the world?
A 2 year old has no concept of their sexuality, so how could they possibly grasp the concept of homosexuality or any other kind of deviancy?
It's a recruitment tool.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think they want to brainwash the kids early when they think the other sex has "cooties"
It's a recruitment tool."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think they want to brainwash the kids early when they think the other sex has "cooties"
It's a recruitment tool.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostThere is no base line in your morally relative world Carrikature. Stop pretending that there is. Bestiality (which is being implicitly accepted by academics like Peter Singer) or child-adult sex may take longer to fall, but given the left's track record it is only a matter of time.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThat would depend on what age is classified as a child. And what happens - as it frequently does - when 14 year olds pass themselves off as being 18 ... easy enough to do, and the older partners then wind up with a nasty reputation for things that they were duped about. I would argue that 14 year olds are as capable of consent now as they were 100 years agone. Protecting them from coercion and inducement is of course another matter.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostInteresting. If both parties be under the influence, who is the offender? "The drunk's defence" (too drunk to know what "I" was doing) increasingly is being removed as admissible under court conditions.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThey don't have cooties?Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostA bad thing. I mention it only to point out the insanity of liberals bending over backwards to cater to groups with such wildly opposing ideologies.
There are plenty of other articles. Here's a look at a 2015 CDC study:
Here's a more recent one citing a 2016 study of teenagers done by the CDC:
- Five times more likely to smoke
- Nearly 17 times more likely to smoke frequently (20 or more cigarettes in the month prior to the survey)
- Nearly twice as likely to have tried alcohol prior to age 13
- Three times as likely to be currently using alcohol
- More than nine times as likely to binge drink (10 or more drinks in a row)
- More than four times as likely to be currently using marijuana
- Nearly nine times as likely ever to have used hallucinogenic drugs
- Nine times as likely ever to have used cocaine
- More than seven times as likely ever to have used heroin
- Seven times as likely ever to have used methamphetamines
Using the geometric mean, most of the difference can be explained by the difference in sexual contact vs. no sexual contact. Which makes sense, as there is a certain amount of risk involved in having sex, so those who are more willing to take risks are more likely to have sex and do all the other things the article mentioned. Since there is still some stigma associated with homosexuality, it makes sense that those who engage in homosexual activity would have to be willing to take a greater risk, and would be more likely to be risk-takers in general.
A 2016 Reuters article about a health survey conducted by Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville:
WebMD states very simply in a 2016 article that "gay and bisexual men are at greatest risk for STDs".
The following website catalogs a number of studies over the years -- as far back as the 1990's to more recent works -- and shows how they all have consistently reached the same conclusions about homosexuality:
http://www.trevorgrantthomas.com/p/d...sexuality.htmlFind my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
"Nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure. It is for them alone to point out what we ought to do, as well as to determine what we shall do."-Jeremy Bentham
"We question all our beliefs, except for the ones that we really believe in, and those we never think to question."-Orson Scott Card
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostIt also says young people are at greatest risk. But I haven't heard you attacking young people the same way you go after gay people. (As a young straight person I don't mind personally, but it does seem odd)."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIs anyone denying that young people are more likely to engage in reckless behavior? We all know they do, because their brains are immature and don't benefit from the same wealth of experience as an adult. I mean, if you want to compare gays with teens and young adults and insinuate they suffer from permanent arrested development, be my guest."Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona
I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostYour inability to comprehend my moral code doesn't make it relative or devoid of baselines. It's neither. On the contrary, I have some very hard baselines that are generally accepted by just about everyone.Last edited by seer; 04-25-2017, 05:42 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostThe article also mentions a higher rate of STDs among black and Native American people. By your logic, that must mean being black and Native American is bad for your health.
The highest rate of risk by far is among homosexuals.
Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostHere's what that article says when comparing people engaging in heterosexual activity in high school vs. those who don't.
- Five times more likely to smoke
- Nearly 17 times more likely to smoke frequently (20 or more cigarettes in the month prior to the survey)
- Nearly twice as likely to have tried alcohol prior to age 13
- Three times as likely to be currently using alcohol
- More than nine times as likely to binge drink (10 or more drinks in a row)
- More than four times as likely to be currently using marijuana
- Nearly nine times as likely ever to have used hallucinogenic drugs
- Nine times as likely ever to have used cocaine
- More than seven times as likely ever to have used heroin
- Seven times as likely ever to have used methamphetamines
Using the geometric mean, most of the difference can be explained by the difference in sexual contact vs. no sexual contact. Which makes sense, as there is a certain amount of risk involved in having sex, so those who are more willing to take risks are more likely to have sex and do all the other things the article mentioned. Since there is still some stigma associated with homosexuality, it makes sense that those who engage in homosexual activity would have to be willing to take a greater risk, and would be more likely to be risk-takers in general.
Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostIt also mentions discrimination as a likely cause for the increase in psychological issues. What are your thoughts on that?
Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostIt also says young people are at greatest risk. But I haven't heard you attacking young people the same way you go after gay people. (As a young straight person I don't mind personally, but it does seem odd).
Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostThat article seems to be about problems with anal sex more than anything. I'm not sure that that's any worse for gay people than it is for straight people.
In study after study after study, going back decades, it has been consistently proven that homosexuality is bad for your health.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think it's a copout. Homosexuals who have convinced themselves that they would finally be happy if only everybody else would change are living in denial. The problem is with them, not with nature or morality or social norms.
In study after study after study, going back decades, it has been consistently proven that homosexuality is bad for your health.
I'll try to explain this with an analogy. Suppose someone with diabetes is trying to evaluate whether they should take insulin as treatment. Well, studies clearly show that people on diabetes who take insulin are less healthy than people who don't have diabetes. But it's downright goofy to use that as a reason to not take insulin, because the option to not have diabetes doesn't exist; you're diabetic, not non-diabetic. Since that part isn't controllable (unless they discover a cure down the line, which is possible), the proper thing to do would be to compare the effect insulin (or any other treatment) has on other diabetics.
So I don't think the "homosexuals are less healthy than heterosexuals" is particularly relevant in any statement on healthiness of homosexuality for the same reason; people do not appear to choose to be homosexual, after all. However, one does have the choice on whether or not to act on that orientation, in the same way a heterosexual can choose whether or not to act on it. It seems to me a far more useful comparison would be to compare homosexuals who do act on their orientation (i.e. actually enter into relationships and things like that) versus those who do not (i.e. eschew all such rela). Does the latter provably lead to the same kinds of health benefits, particularly in regards to happiness?
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