Euthanasia, or 'how to keep healthcare cheap'

[Sea of red]

I know you don't like inconvenient truths, but seriously grow up!!!

He is grown-up.

But you sound a little old for troll bait threads on the internet. Seriously, how old are you?

[Meh Gerbil]

One of my main criticisms of liberalism is that the typical liberal is unwilling to make tough choices.
Because of this a liberal will constantly play the sympathy card, claim the moral high ground, without ever dealing with the realities of life.

That said, I think this thread is an example of conservatives doing that same sort of thing.
The fact is that at some point we have to make the tough call that a baby just cannot be saved.
Oh sure, the child could live as a vegetable for 25-30 years, never leave the hospital - I wouldn't want to live that life.

Sometimes compassion and maturity means letting go.
I think there could be a pretty wide range where you let the parents make that decision.
That isn't disrespecting life, that is respecting the fact we're human and we have limits.

[demi-conservative]

Second time you've done that.

You're welcome.

Criticism of english always good sign that other side has nothing meaningful to add to discussion, can only try to do petty pokes.

[Starlight]

One of my main criticisms of liberalism is that the typical liberal is unwilling to make tough choices.
Because of this a liberal will constantly play the sympathy card, claim the moral high ground, without ever dealing with the realities of life.

That said, I think this thread is an example of conservatives doing that same sort of thing.
The fact is that at some point we have to make the tough call that a baby just cannot be saved.
Oh sure, the child could live as a vegetable for 25-30 years, never leave the hospital - I wouldn't want to live that life.

Sometimes compassion and maturity means letting go.
I think there could be a pretty wide range where you let the parents make that decision.
That isn't disrespecting life, that is respecting the fact we're human and we have limits.

I would have amened this post if you hadn't begun it with your BS claims about liberals not making tough choices (seriously?!?).

I agree there should be a wide range where parents have the authority to make the decision, with appropriate doctor advice and counselling of course.

Euthanasia -> lower health costs. Deal with it.

Can we lower health costs and increase general TWeb sanity by euthanizing you?

[demi-conservative]

Can we lower health costs

Quite possibly!!

increase general TWeb sanity by euthanizing you?

That would actually make sanity go even lower!!

To actually increase sanity we need to kick out progs and libs (with all their unhinged shrieking about so many stuff, like 'fascist nazi trump waaaaaaah') and build Big Beautiful TWeb Wall (like I previously posted about!!!)

Make TWeb Great Again!!!!


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Back to actual discussion: no one actually can dispute claims of mine about euthanasia, so personal attacks flowing

[tabibito]

Some treatments will prolong life - others will merely prolong dying. To me, "no heroic measures" is acceptable.

[Sea of red]

Quite possibly!!



That would actually make sanity go even lower!!

To actually increase sanity we need to kick out progs and libs (with all their unhinged shrieking about so many stuff, like 'fascist nazi trump waaaaaaah') and build Big Beautiful TWeb Wall (like I previously posted about!!!)

Make TWeb Great Again!!!!


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Back to actual discussion: no one actually can dispute claims of mine about euthanasia, so personal attacks flowing

I estimate that you're about a fourteen year old 'C-' student judging by your poor grammar, poorly thought out points, lame avatar, and how unaware you are that we don't take you seriously.

[Starlight]

Some treatments will prolong life - others will merely prolong dying. To me, "no heroic measures" is acceptable.

My Christian grandmother, an ex-nurse who is in her 80s, was complaining to me that hospitals now give old people protein drinks to strengthen their muscles. She felt the hospitals should just let the old people die and not artificially prolong their lives (she's not at all a fan of life support) and I think she feels that several of her acquaintances have had their lives unduly stretched out by "heroic measures" as you put it. I jokingly suggested that maybe she thinks the hospitals should give out poison drinks instead of protein drinks, and she thought about it for a few seconds then said she thought that would be going too far. So I think you and she would perhaps agree on the "no heroic measures" standard.

[Starlight]

I estimate that you're about a fourteen year old 'C-' student judging by your poor grammar, poorly thought out points, lame avatar, and how unaware you are that we don't take you seriously.

I tend to agree with Jaecp's hypothesis that he is a Russian being paid to support Trump online. It would explain his 'English' and his views.

[Sea of red]

I tend to agree with Jaecp's hypothesis that he is a Russian being paid to support Trump online. It would explain his 'English' and his views.

Nah, he's either a teenager with no real world experience, or an idiot living with his mom.

Now, DE, has been on this forum for a long as I have, so even if he was in a US high school in those days, he's now WAY too old for the weird war/death overtones he uses for shock effect in his trolling on here.

[tabibito]

My Christian grandmother, an ex-nurse who is in her 80s, was complaining to me that hospitals now give old people protein drinks to strengthen their muscles. She felt the hospitals should just let the old people die and not artificially prolong their lives (she's not at all a fan of life support) and I think she feels that several of her acquaintances have had their lives unduly stretched out by "heroic measures" as you put it. I jokingly suggested that maybe she thinks the hospitals should give out poison drinks instead of protein drinks, and she thought about it for a few seconds then said she thought that would be going too far. So I think you and she would perhaps agree on the "no heroic measures" standard.

My own life could be said to have been "unduly stretched out by heroic measures" - so: not quite. "No heroic measures" applies in circumstances where there is no (known) prospect of recovery, just a lengthened term of suffering.

[Starlight]

As far as the OP topic of euthanasia actually goes, I dunno there's much to be said about it that hasn't been said before. Obviously it's never done "to keep costs down"... although in practice that seems to be how the US healthcare system currently works - when your wallet runs out of money they let you die.

I was amused when one of my sisters graduated as a medical doctor and the speech at the graduation ceremony was an anti-euthanasia speech by a guy who was retiring. I don't think it went down particularly well with the younger generation in attendance, since most of my generation support it. Amusingly after the ceremony dad was talking about how good he thought the speech was (he's a moderate Christian with left-wing economic views but fairly conservative moral views), but my sister was rolling her eyes at me as he spoke. My sister and I are both strong supporters of loosening the current silly abortion 'restrictions' (currently a woman has to go to two doctors and the doctors say "I need you to tell me that having this child will cause you severe mental distress and then I can sign off on it", but sometimes doctors refuse because they personally don't believe in abortion and then the woman has to find a third doctor to sign off... it's an unreasonable waste of everyone's time) and allowing euthanasia.

[demi-conservative]

As far as the OP topic of euthanasia actually goes, I dunno there's much to be said about it that hasn't been said before. Obviously it's never done "to keep costs down"... although in practice that seems to be how the US healthcare system currently works - when your wallet runs out of money they let you die.

'Obviously it never happens, but it's actually how things work'

[tabibito]

'Obviously it never happens, but it's actually how things work'

Well - there is that.

[demi-conservative]

Well - there is that.

I think thread can be closed now, point of post #1 is made!!