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Originally posted by JimL View PostTrump isn't a moderate, Trump just has no clue.
"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by JimL View PostTrump isn't a moderate, Trump just has no clue. The health insurance bill he was going to sign into law was hardly moderate, nor do I believe Trump understood or cared what the hell was in the bill. He's neither conservative, liberal or moderate, he's an amoral empty vessell."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostA couple of good cartoons"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostEven a straight up repeal of obamacare would have been moderate given that the government already provides health insurance for the poor.
So in the sense that you would substantially cut Medicaid (the government program providing health insurance for the poor) by repealing Obamacare, you would quite literally be cutting the healthcare for the poor if you did "a straight up repeal of obamacare". You could, of course, propose repealing everything else in Obamacare and leave the Medicaid expansion in, but that's not what you said."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostObamacare included an expansion of Medicaid, which 31 states + DC have now implemented to provide health insurance to more poor. A 'straight up repeal' would roll that back. It would also roll-back things like coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the ability of children to remain on their parents' healthcare plan until the age of 26.
So in the sense that you would substantially cut Medicaid (the government program providing health insurance for the poor) by repealing Obamacare, you would quite literally be cutting the healthcare for the poor if you did "a straight up repeal of obamacare". You could, of course, propose repealing everything else in Obamacare and leave the Medicaid expansion in, but that's not what you said."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostYour "intellectual" droppings rarely amount to more than a 1 panel cartoon so this is very appropriate.
Have you even had any tertiary education at all? Or did you drop out of secondary school at age 15 after failing all your classes?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostLOL. I have a PhD in a science field. I can like a one-panel cartoon if I want without feeling it threatens my intellectual manliness.
Have you even had any tertiary education at all?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostEven a straight up repeal of obamacare would have been moderate given that the government already provides health insurance for the poor. You simply redefine moderate to mean whatever you want it to mean despite you yourself being a robotic progressive hack who is simply incapable of thinking anything that wasn't beamed directly into your head by the DNC.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI wouldn't be surprised if your PhD was either from a diploma mill or in a joke field that, if revealed, would produce little more than mirth around here.
I'm in college right now actually."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostObamacare included an expansion of Medicaid, which 31 states + DC have now implemented to provide health insurance to more poor. A 'straight up repeal' would roll that back. It would also roll-back things like coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the ability of children to remain on their parents' healthcare plan until the age of 26.
The bottom line is everyone can have full healthcare coverage under the Dumpy Trumpity Health Care Plan, but, ah . . . they will have to pay for it, pay through the nose, at rates beyond their economic means. Yeah, like everyone can drive new BMWs too.
So in the sense that you would substantially cut Medicaid (the government program providing health insurance for the poor) by repealing Obamacare, you would quite literally be cutting the healthcare for the poor if you did "a straight up repeal of obamacare". You could, of course, propose repealing everything else in Obamacare and leave the Medicaid expansion in, but that's not what you said.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-26-2017, 08:25 PM.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostJust because you passed Obamacare does not mean the new level of support becomes the gold standard for what is moderate and any shift backwards is suddenly partisan.Even if the bill reduces the amount that the poor would have gotten from Obamacare, obamacare was just a slight push to the left from the existing, moderate model and repealing it would still leave its healthcare system as a moderate compromise.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI bought it online from Trump University 2.0 in China, and it's in Fake Climate Science Designed To Destroy US Industry with a side project in Bad Biblical Interpretation.
Well that's pleasantly surprising. I honestly expected you to respond by saying that education was a liberal conspiracy, seriously. Variants of that seem a common view around here."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo what? We on the left, you know, the non-sociopaths, don't want a moderate plan which leaves many millions of people without healthcare."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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