Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians

[Zymologist]

Its called diplomacy, not "going out of your way to be buddies." She didn't show weakness at all, the very reason Putin hates her is because she publicly spoke to the rigged nature of the Russian elections which elected Putin.

Hillary Clinton speaking out against "the rigged nature of the Russian elections."

[Cow Poke]

Its called diplomacy, not "going out of your way to be buddies."

It's called idiocy --- the Russians laughed at her stupidity.

She didn't show weakness at all,

Yes, she did -- along with rank ignorance -- "overcharged" instead of "reset"

the very reason Putin hates her is because she publicly spoke to the rigged nature of the Russian elections which elected Putin.

Laughing hard --- that's a GOOD one, Jimmy... Hillary... rigged elections....

You DO have a sense of humor!

[Sparko]

Nitpick: it's actually a false dichotomy.

quite ironic, eh?

Except it is also known as "the fallacy of the excluded middle" and "fallacy of false dilemma"

(Not to be confused with the Law of the excluded middle. )

[Mountain Man]

So in liberal world, if a world leader hates us then that is successful diplomacy, but if they like us then that is evidence of something suspicious.

[Charles]

So in liberal world, if a world leader hates us then that is successful diplomacy, but if they like us then that is evidence of something suspicious.

I think the suspicion is that they like the current administration for other reasons than its diplomacy. :-)

[JimL]

So in liberal world, if a world leader hates us then that is successful diplomacy, but if they like us then that is evidence of something suspicious.

Believe it or not there birdbrain, sometimes that is true.

[Tassman]

The FACT that Hillary went out of her way to be buddies with the Russians, and they STILL hate her, is a testimony to her "success" as SecState. She showed incredible weakness - something our enemies despise.

Not at all. Hilary was publicly critical of Putin's corrupt electoral process, which guaranteed him victory. And Putin has never forgiven her for it. OTOH Trump admires Putin and is probably envious that he can't do the same.

[Tassman]

Wow. I fail to see how I was wrong. MM came to a wrong conclusion regarding my argument. He missed the point when he drew a conclusion from my statements.

You need to get more factual if you want to convince anyone.

As per his hero DJ Trump, Sparko has only a passing acquaintance with facts.

[Roy]

quite ironic, eh?

Except it is also known as "the fallacy of the excluded middle" and "fallacy of false dilemma"

(Not to be confused with the Law of the excluded middle. )

Not quite. the fallacies of excluded middle (aka false dilemma) and false dichotomy are distinct.

The fallacy of the excluded middle is to say that something must be either {A} or {B} when {neither A nor B} is a possibility.
This usually occurs when the two choices are different possibilities for the same trait and other possibilities are ignored:
'He's either a republican or a democrat' - not true, since he may vote for one of the various minor parties, or not vote at all.

The fallacy of the false dichotomy is to say that something must be either {A} or {B} when {A and B} is a possibility.
This usually occurs when the two choices are possibilities for different traits that aren't necessarily related:
'You're either stupid or lying' - not true, since you may be both dumb and dishonest.

Yours was the latter fallacy, not the former.

[Bill the Cat]

Believe it or not there birdbrain, sometimes that is true.

And of course it's only true when it's a Republican that's being talked about...

[Sparko]

Not quite. the fallacies of excluded middle (aka false dilemma) and false dichotomy are distinct.

The fallacy of the excluded middle is to say that something must be either {A} or {B} when {neither A nor B} is a possibility.
This usually occurs when the two choices are different possibilities for the same trait and other possibilities are ignored:
'He's either a republican or a democrat' - not true, since he may vote for one of the various minor parties, or not vote at all.

The fallacy of the false dichotomy is to say that something must be either {A} or {B} when {A and B} is a possibility.
This usually occurs when the two choices are possibilities for different traits that aren't necessarily related:
'You're either stupid or lying' - not true, since you may be both dumb and dishonest.

Yours was the latter fallacy, not the former.

ah. I stand corrected! Thanks.

[Roy]

ah. I stand corrected! Thanks.

No problem. Always happy to sharpen the talons of my adversaries, as refuting apologetics is otherwise too trivial to be interesting.

[Sparko]

No problem. Always happy to sharpen the talons of my adversaries, as refuting apologetics is otherwise too trivial to be interesting.

Yes, apparently even I can be wrong sometimes, as unbelievable as that sounds.

[Charles]

Yes, apparently even I can be wrong sometimes, as unbelievable as that sounds.

You were also wrong in claiming the fallacy of confusing the issue is not a thing. If you make a google search a little more complex than usual you will find it. It is also, among other things, called missing the point. That was what MM did perhaps on purpose and I guess he hoped his readers would be fooled. Just mentioning...

[JimL]

Hillary Clinton speaking out against "the rigged nature of the Russian elections."

Can I ask why you find that humorous?