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Now The Liberals Are After My Organs...
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posthuh?
Lastly, knowing that our possessions of the ordinary sort can be subject to seizure by debt or in compulsion from the court, do we really want to assert that our body is the same sort of thing and substance as those that can be taken from us legally? Should a person be forced by lawsuit to sell his extra organs to pay court ordered fines or settlements? Should a person be sold into slavery to settle a debt, a bankruptcy? And yet if a court can force liquidation of all our possessions, then why not? If a body is the same as any other possession, then there is no logical reason not to. Yes, we may pass law to prevent it, but the current legal status quo already reflects that protection without the legal and logical gerrymandering."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you don't own your body then what is to stop all that?"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThe fact that possessions can be taken but bodies cannot because they are of a different type than possessions?
If you don't own your body, then there is nothing stopping the government from doing whatever it wants with it. It doesn't belong to you. You don't belong to you. You then have no say in yourself or your body.
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThe fact that possessions can be taken but bodies cannot because they are of a different type than possessions?
"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postuh no?
If you don't own your body, then there is nothing stopping the government from doing whatever it wants with it. It doesn't belong to you. You don't belong to you. You then have no say in yourself or your body."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostI don't understand why you keep making this distinction...
both can be taken from you both legally and illegally.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI don't know a different way to say it. Legally, a body is not a possession, no matter how much the armchair libertarians of Tweb want it to be so.
Illegal seizure is irrelevant here--anyone can do whatever they want illegally. Another private citizen cannot legally seize your person, or any part of it, in service to a debt or settlement because your body isn't a possession.
I'm not sure what you're angling for here.
fwiw,
guacamole"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostOk of which you have offered no more than your assertion...
ok, then we agree on this point, all your statements are in context of legally.
You can't be deprived of your body, (life, liberty) or property without due process...see's pretty clear to me.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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