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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAre you meaning to imply that Christians only follow Trump? I don't understand why you added the qualifier to the end of your sentence. If both sides lie desperately, but Christians on both sides should always embrace the truth, shouldn't they do that regardless of whether or not it is favorable or unfavorable to President Trump? What if what someone is claiming as truth is actually a lie, by commission or omission? Wouldn't it be great to be able to consistently discern the truth in order that we could embrace it?אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDid you miss the point? Most of what the left insists are Donald Trump's lies, aren't actually lies.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostNo, but it does seem like the great majority of US Christians here are very partisan in their favor for Trump.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostYou mentioned a few examples of differing interpretation, but you did not establish this point, nor did you establish that the same fact-checkers did not apply their methodology fairly to opposing candidates. That seems to have been assumed on your part.
As for whether or not "fact-checkers" apply their methodology consistently, that's not something I ever addressed in this thread. I think it's pretty obvious that they don't, but proving it would take a lot more time and effort than I'm willing to invest.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostNo, but it does seem like the great majority of US Christians here are very partisan in their favor for Trump.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"Differing interpretation"? So if I make a statement that I in good faith think is essentially true, but you have a "differing interpretation", does that make my statement a lie?
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNot to mention that some of the "differing interpretations" employed by the media are so specious that they're basically lies themselves.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAs for whether or not "fact-checkers" apply their methodology consistently, that's not something I ever addressed in this thread.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think it's pretty obvious that they don't, but proving it would take a lot more time and effort than I'm willing to invest.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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As for what happened "last night in Sweden"..............
Well this did happen.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAs far as I can tell, there are maybe 3 US Christians here who voted enthusiastically for Trump. If rather more than that are defending Trump now, it's because the alternative is so much worse, not because he's objectively the best thing since sliced bread.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Darth Ovious View PostAs for what happened "last night in Sweden"
And the more people looked into it, the more embarrassing for him it got. Because his comments were a product of him watching a right-wing propaganda documentary on Fox News the night before, and then that documentary turned out to be deliberately deceptive with the maker interviewing Swedish police and editing the footage to have him asking one question and then cutting to their answers to a different question. And in the deceptive documentary maker's haste to prove immigrants are terrible for crime, he apparently didn't even look at Sweden's crime statistics which show no rise over the past 10 years despite Sweden having taken in huge numbers of immigrants. Amusingly, it turns out that crime is much higher in the Florida cities near the Florida resort that Trump spends huge amounts of time holidaying in when he's supposed to be being president, than it is in Sweden.
And Trump also likes to rant about crime in Chicago, describing living there as being like "living in hell" due to the high crime rate. Yet Chicago doesn't featurelowest it's been in 47 years. Crime has been dropping over the last couple of decades. But he refuses to acknowledge that.
Incidentally, one reasonably evidenced theory as to why crime has gone down is the general removal of lead from fuel. Lead gets absorbed into the brain and causes all sorts of negative effects including decreased IQ and increased violent behavior. So if Trump wanted to do the US a favor, instead of getting 'tough' on the low rates of crime, he could instead spend money on places like Flint that have problems with lead in their water. He's talked about wanting to do infrastructure spending, and so he could spend a few billion replacing lead pipes throughout America, which would have the long term effect of decreasing crime."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostTrump's "last night in Sweden" falsehood was pretty embarrassing not merely for him but for the US.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostI'm glad you agree that Trump is not as good as sliced bread, 'though I don't care so much even for sliced bread.
What current alternative are you referring to? That sounds more like a justification for voting for Trump in the past than a discussion of current alternativesmVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAnd the response to Trump's alleged falsehood from Swedish immigrants... was to riot. Derp. There's nothing that screams "I'm not violent" like erupting in violence.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAnd the response to Trump's alleged falsehood from Swedish immigrants... was to riot. Derp. There's nothing that screams "I'm not violent" like erupting in violence.
Sweden has taken in a lot of refugees and immigrants since then, who being generally pretty poor, have ended up living in low income and crime-ridden areas such as that neighborhood because it's all they can afford. So to once again see an outbreak of rioting in that suburb isn't all that unusual or surprising, but jumping to a conclusion that it's the immigrants doing it, as opposed to the people living there previously who have a history of rioting, seems unwarranted."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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