Changing My Views on Immigration

[Darth Executor]

Wouldn't that work equally well with Islam?

No, nowhere near as well. Especially if you get muslims in the same numbers as liberals. At that point you'd be talking straight up genocide to solve the problem violently. Liberals would probably be cowed into submission relatively quickly and painlessly.

[Meh Gerbil]

No, nowhere near as well. Especially if you get muslims in the same numbers as liberals. At that point you'd be talking straight up genocide to solve the problem violently. Liberals would probably be cowed into submission relatively quickly and painlessly.

Every time.
The opposition merely wins a democratic election and half of libdom is fetal in the hall closet crying like infants.

[firstfloor]

I've not heard a Muslim claim that Jesus Christ never existed.

[EvoUK]

Liberals are entirely dependent upon the success of others to thrive.
They're a parasite incapable of life without a host.
The wasteland comes when there is no host left to drain.

This seems as much ridiculous hyperbole as a liberal saying conservatives want to take us back to the dark ages, etc.

[One Bad Pig]

Every time.
The opposition merely wins a democratic election and half of libdom is fetal in the hall closet crying like infants.

...while the other half is rioting in the streets.

[One Bad Pig]

As brum's post #23 demonstrates that isn't necessarily the case.

Note that my scenario depends on dhimmitude, which brum's post explicitly excludes.

[EvoUK]

EvoUK,

Let's use sexual mores as an example of the self-destructive and parasitic nature of liberals.

#1: The conservative ethic is for a man and a woman to marry and to only have sex within the confines of that relationship. While not always the "Father Knows Best" ideal this has a tendency to produce two parent homes. Children are provided, by default, with a backup parent in the event of a catastrophe. Care is also better for the kids since one parent can be very ill and the other parent will pick up some of the child care duties - the system has built in redundancy. In turn, the children provide for the parents once they're of age. This could be anything from in home care to paying taxes which cover elderly care.

#2: The liberal ethic is 'love the one you're with' which means children are born outside the confines of a committed relationship. Furthermore, sexual disease is spread about here and there rendering some people sterile, others too sick to work, and some just flat out dead. To avoid the fruit of this sort of life style abortion is required which solves a short term problem but creates a long term problem. Elderly people don't have children to care for or look out for them - sexual illness spreads through the population taxing resources - crime skyrockets because momma has to be at work while unsupervised children wander the streets.

Option #2 will literally bankrupt a society in time. We throw BILLIONS at sexual disease every year - many of these diseases result in sterility or early death so there are no children to pick up the slack. The societal impact is impossible to calculate. By the time a few healthy people grow up (around 30 years of age) and want to 'get serious' about life there are no partners to be had - books have been written about the predicament women are in because men, who've been getting sex for years without commitment, don't care to settle down.

^---- Your idiotic ethic, on just this one point, is a society killer. The math on populations in places that have adopted this lifestyle have prompted some governments to mandate "Stay Home And Make A Kid" days. Even secular governments can see this is failing. So the question becomes: How many millions have to die of AIDS, how many children have to suffer, how many Trillions have to be spent on 100% avoidable disease before you are willing to admit that your approach to life is an abject failure?

In short: Your ethic is parasitic and can only endure in a society with enough wealth to pay for grotesque irresponsibility and childlike behavior. It cannot build a society on its own.

#2 isn't even faintly realistic, and after that the whole argument sort of breaks down. You've spent years on here talking to liberals of different flavours. How can you still be so ignorant of their beliefs? I get that there's a certain partisan adherence to believing the worst in your so-called opponent, but I feel no need to defend or justify a straw man. Sorry.

Also, I'm English, so I'm not sure if I'm 'liberal' as you'd define it. At least not by American standards.

[Meh Gerbil]

#2 isn't even faintly realistic....

So the liberal sexual ethic is lifetime monogamous relationships with a high value placed on raising children?

[rogue06]

Note that my scenario depends on dhimmitude, which brum's post explicitly excludes.

I'm starting to think we should call the Democrats "Dhimmicrats"

[shunyadragon]

My previous views on immigration were born out of sense of loyalty to Western Civilization.
I owe a huge debt to the artists, thinkers, and innovators of the past 2,000 years.
To me it is obvious that this is a legacy worth preserving - a legacy far superior to anything developed in the east.

At some point our civilization became proud.
We became convinced that basic math, biology, and common sense just didn't apply to us anymore.
The arrogance has now reached a point where we are openly inviting our enemies into our midst.

I do not believe we are 'openly inviting our enemies into our midst.' The the evidence indicates we do very well raising home grown Christian and Islamic terrorists.

'We have meet the enemy, and they are us!' - Pogo

[Darth Executor]

I do not believe we are 'openly inviting our enemies into our midst.' The the evidence indicates we do very well raising home grown Christian and Islamic terrorists.

'We have meet the enemy, and they are us!' - Pogo

there are far more non-theist terrorists than christian ones. and I don't mean as a % of population, I mean raw numbers. you're a far bigger threat to spontaneously gun people down than just about any other non-muslim.

[shunyadragon]

there are far more non-theist terrorists than christian ones. and I don't mean as a % of population, I mean raw numbers. you're a far bigger threat to spontaneously gun people down than just about any other non-muslim.

The majority regardless of religion are home grown, and extreme right and extreme Christian terrorists make up a large percentage of terrorism in the USA.



More to follow . . .

[Darth Executor]

The majority regardless of religion are home grown, and extreme right and extreme Christian terrorists make up a large percentage of terrorism in the USA.

The right is 50% of the US population. Muslims are what, 1%? You obviously don't understand math (at all).

More to follow . . .

lol dailykos

[demi-conservative]

Liberals would probably be cowed into submission relatively quickly and painlessly.]/quote]Every time.
The opposition merely wins a democratic election and half of libdom is fetal in the hall closet crying like infants.

Can't see you as much better, when post #1 here is trying to decide between two types of surrender!!

[seer]

The majority regardless of religion are home grown, and extreme right and extreme Christian terrorists make up a large percentage of terrorism in the USA.

Oh bull:Islamic Terror on American Soil, Including 9/11 Killed and wounded

2017.01.31 USA Denver, CO 1 0 A pastor working as a security guard is shot to death at a transit office by a 'radicalized' Muslim.
2017.01.06 USA Fort Lauderdale, FL 5 6 A convert to Islam guns down five innocents in the baggage claim area of an airport.
2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.
2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/at...n-attacks.aspx