No More Foreign Aid For Abortion!

[Sparko]

I guess you missed the bit about the termination of "insensate fetuses"; were the holocaust Jews insensate fetuses?

Stop blustering. Once again: "In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws and cited past cases ruling that marriage, contraception, and child rearing are activities covered in this "zone of privacy." The Court then argued that the "zone of privacy" was "broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy." This decision involved myriad physical, psychological, and economic stresses a pregnant woman must face."

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt...dmark_roe.html

That doesn't mean abortion is protected by the constitution. It is a legal argument to smuggle abortion under "privacy" - I suppose a lawyer could use the same argument for a mother who smothered her child in the privacy of their own home. Doesn't mean it is protected by the constitution.

[rogue06]

as ruled upon by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade.

Would you consider partial birth abortion nothing but "the termination of an insensate fetus"?

[Meh Gerbil]

Given that the majority of those opposing abortion in the US are religious, e.g. 75% White Evangelical Protestants oppose it, you tell me.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...bout-abortion/

Since the majority of people who oppose racism are also religious does that mean that being against racism is a religious issue?

[Zymologist]

Given that the majority of those opposing abortion in the US are religious, e.g. 75% White Evangelical Protestants oppose it, you tell me.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...bout-abortion/

You know, instead of repeatedly telling religious people why they oppose abortion, you could try letting them tell you their reasons for things. Radical, I know, but worth a try.

[Mountain Man]

I have on many occasions presented a non-religious argument against abortion. It goes like this:

P1) At the moment of conception, an organism is formed that meets even a the most conservative scientific definition of life.
P2) This life-form has human DNA.
P3) This life-form is innocent having committed no moral or ethical wrongs.
P4) Laws exist to protect the innocent from harm.

C) Therefore, at the moment of conception, an innocent human life is created which is fully deserving of legal protection.

Nowhere does this argument depend on accepting religious beliefs, only basic scientific and philosophical truths.

[rogue06]

I have on many occasions presented a non-religious argument against abortion. It goes like this:

P1) At the moment of conception, an organism is formed that meets even a the most conservative scientific definition of life.
P2) This life-form has human DNA.
P3) This life-form is innocent having committed no moral or ethical wrongs.
P4) Laws exist to protect the innocent from harm.

C) Therefore, at the moment of conception, an innocent human life is created which is fully deserving of legal protection.

Nowhere does this argument depend on accepting religious beliefs, only basic scientific and philosophical truths.

Sonograms aren't religious and have convinced many people that a "fetus" isn't just some clump of tissue as the pro-abortion side maintains. In fact, it was what caused one of the founders of NARAL to become pro-life.

[Catholicity]

This is one thing I CAN back Trump on. Supposedly the funds here and on the defunding of Planned Parenthood are supposed to be rerouted to strengthen state Health Departments. Once again, should this come true, I can back this totally as true procedures for genuine medical reasons need real surgical oversight.

[Sparko]

You know, instead of repeatedly telling religious people why they oppose abortion, you could try letting them tell you their reasons for things. Radical, I know, but worth a try.

But that would make sense.

[One Bad Pig]

You know, instead of repeatedly telling religious people why they oppose abortion, you could try letting them tell you their reasons for things. Radical, I know, but worth a try.

Tassman has it on good authority (his own) that religious people are either lying or deluded.

[Terraceth]

Actually, was it legal in Nazi Germany? Did the government actually pass laws to make it legal, or did they just do the killings without bothering with that? A government doing something doesn't mean it's actually legal under their laws. I'll admit I know basically nothing about the specific laws passed in Nazi Germany, but I am curious as to whether or not they ever officially made it legal.

[Tassman]

That doesn't mean abortion is protected by the constitution. It is a legal argument to smuggle abortion under "privacy" - I suppose a lawyer could use the same argument for a mother who smothered her child in the privacy of their own home. Doesn't mean it is protected by the constitution.

The fact that Roe v Wade allows abortion in specific circumstances clearly does mean it (and the concomitant rights of the woman), is protected by the Constitution...your typical Evangelical paranoia notwithstanding.

[Sparko]

Actually, was it legal in Nazi Germany? Did the government actually pass laws to make it legal, or did they just do the killings without bothering with that? A government doing something doesn't mean it's actually legal under their laws. I'll admit I know basically nothing about the specific laws passed in Nazi Germany, but I am curious as to whether or not they ever officially made it legal.

[Sparko]

is protected by the Constitution...your typical Evangelical paranoia notwithstanding.

Clearly you don't understand US law or the constitution. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it "protected by the constitution" - Roe v Wade could be overturned tomorrow. You can't overturn something protected by the constitution without a constitutional amendment.

[Mountain Man]

Clearly you don't understand US law or the constitution. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it "protected by the constitution" - Roe v Wade could be overturned tomorrow. You can't overturn something protected by the constitution without a constitutional amendment.

That's what happens when a foreigner ignorantly flaps his gums about the US. He doesn't live here, so he doesn't have a practical understanding of how our system of government actually works.

[Sparko]

That's what happens when a foreigner ignorantly flaps his gums about the US. He doesn't live here, so he doesn't have a practical understanding of how our system of government actually works.

he is an idiot. ALL federal laws are "protected" by the constitution. Or at least are supposed to be. Sometimes an unconstitutional law gets passed, then the courts have to get involved and ban the law. The constitution doesn't speak in specifics of laws anyway, it deals in generalities and rights. Like it says we have the right to bear arms. But laws are what determine what types of guns we can have, whether we need to have permits or not, and so on. There is no "right to abortion" - that's just moronic.