FBI, DHS release report on Russia hacking

[seanD]

Well, this is going beyond just butthurt anti-Trump liberals. It really looks like something is developing from this. I just don't think this would be dragging on and on the way it is, involving intelligence agencies if there was no endgame to this. I still don't want to say election nullification just yet, but...

Where is this going exactly?

[Darth Executor]

Well, this is going beyond just butthurt anti-Trump liberals. It really looks like something is developing from this. I just don't think this would be dragging on and on the way it is, involving intelligence agencies if there was no endgame to this. I still don't want to say election nullification just yet, but...

Where is this going exactly?

Democrats will drag it on until their idiot base completely forgets they handed Trump the presidency on a silver platter. The neocons are neoconning like usual.

[Tassman]

That's so far proved to be a remarkably nebulous and fluid claim. 'Interfered' = what exactly?

all the intelligence agencies and senior members of both parties and I will back their credibility against that of Trump and his loyal band of followers.

Made public some emails that revealed the corruption and dishonesty at the heart of the DNC and Clinton's campaign? And somehow that's a bad thing? If that's all the 'Russians' did we should be thanking them, and wondering why the masses of American 'journalists' in the liberal mass media didn't let us know that things like collusion over questions in the presidential debates was happening.

Thanking the Russian for interfering with the US democratic process. Seriously! You really need to get past the party politics of all this because if even a piece of what is alleged about this Russian activity is true, it is utterly unacceptable and potentially dangerous.

So Assange colluded with the Russians to release emails and increase the chances of Trump getting elected? Really? Assange wants someone who has called for his execution to be the President?

Nevertheless, the evidence indicates that Assange did

[Mountain Man]

Well, this is going beyond just butthurt anti-Trump liberals. It really looks like something is developing from this. I just don't think this would be dragging on and on the way it is, involving intelligence agencies if there was no endgame to this. I still don't want to say election nullification just yet, but...

Where is this going exactly?

I don't think it's going anywhere, to be honest. There's apparently no good evidence the Russians did anything, and even if they did, there's no good evidence that it influenced the election in any meaningful way. This looks increasingly like much ado about nothing.

[JimL]

Clapper admitted before Congress today "... the hacking did not succeed in changing any vote tallies,"

No he didn't, what he said is that there is no way to quantify what effect the Russian meddling had on the vote tally. There is no evidence that they hacked into the voting machines themselves to alter the vote, but he said, their meddling was multifacited and that there was no way to tell what effect it had on voters choices.

[robrecht]

As a tail end of a series of accusations, yes. It was basically a "this is how we determined it was the Russians - by the tools they typically use".



From https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...-2016-1229.pdf

This Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities. The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber activity by RIS as GRIZZLY STEPPE.

There is no indication in the JAR on how to recognize or deter similar hacks. It's actually pretty low on useful actionable information.



Depends on how Homeland Security classified the evidence. As I said, there must be more to this story that has not been released because what has (the JAR and the earlier brief from DHS) is frankly garbage. Not a single thing in either could stand up in a court of law.

[Mountain Man]

No he didn't, what he said is that there is no way to quantify what effect the Russian meddling had on the vote tally. There is no evidence that they hacked into the voting machines themselves to alter the vote, but he said, their meddling was multifacited and that there was no way to tell what effect it had on voters choices.

That's just another way of saying that it had no quantifiable effect at all. Seriously, man, even someone as naively partisan as you has to see that there's no evidence to support the accusations and that they're just hedging their bets at this point. Or maybe I'm underestimating how gullible you really are.

[One Bad Pig]

Clapper also said there's no way to gauge what impact, if any, the leaked emails might have had on the electorate.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...-vote-tallies/

It's funny, the more we learn about this story, the less there is to it.

Well, the article in the WaPo Express had Clapper doubling down on his insistence that the Russians did it, but the evidence referenced was nothing more than "we've detailed more motives for Russia to have done so."

[Bill the Cat]

Not necessarily. That's what TOR nodes do.

[Bill the Cat]

Well, this is going beyond just butthurt anti-Trump liberals. It really looks like something is developing from this.

Not a single thing released will hold up in a court of law. It's inference and innuendo gone wild.

I just don't think this would be dragging on and on the way it is, involving intelligence agencies if there was no endgame to this.

It's high profile, and the intelligence community got caught with their pants down. Assagne and Wikileaks made the CIA, most specifically since this was a private entity hack, look like utter incompetent fools.

I still don't want to say election nullification just yet, but...

Will never happen.

Where is this going exactly?

Probably the same place the Benghazi hearings went. Whole lotta nowhere.

[Bill the Cat]

Well, the article in the WaPo Express had Clapper doubling down on his insistence that the Russians did it, but the evidence referenced was nothing more than "we've detailed more motives for Russia to have done so."

From what I can tell, all they seem to have is a bunch of circumstantial evidence.

[Mountain Man]

Well, the article in the WaPo Express had Clapper doubling down on his insistence that the Russians did it, but the evidence referenced was nothing more than "we've detailed more motives for Russia to have done so."

The entire argument seems to be, basically, "Just trust us on this, OK?" But considering the number of times our national intelligence organizations have publicly screwed up* and lied to the American people, I'm going to need something a little more concrete.


* Or maybe the Tom Clancy novels are right and that the public screw ups are red herrings to disguise their real machinations with a veneer of incompetence.

[robrecht]

Not necessarily. That's what TOR nodes do.

Thanks! Next basic question: Can the NSA or CIA track hackers that use Tor?

[Bill the Cat]

Thanks! Next basic question: Can the NSA or CIA track hackers that use Tor?

Sloppy TOR providers, yes. But a majority of TOR node providers do not maintain any log files for the strict purpose of such anonymity. The only way to track those is if the connection is presently active, and they can do a traceback, but even that can be poisoned through a few rudimentary DNS tools. So, long answer short, if a hacker is any good at all, no, they can't really track them via TOR nodes with any real reliability.

[Mountain Man]

Now isn't this interesting... apparently the FBI's conclusions aren't based on first-hand information but instead rely on third-hand information from a firm that has ties to the Democrat party and Hillary...

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...e-linked-firm/

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