We Are So Enlightened...

[Gondwanaland]

On what justifiable grounds would you refuse a homosexual couple to rent an apartment? The only reason would because the landlord held a bigoted view of their relationship.

So then you favor forcing your opinion on others via law in this instance?

[seer]

On what justifiable grounds would you refuse a homosexual couple to rent an apartment? The only reason would because the landlord held a bigoted view of their relationship.

Again, that is not the point. It is one group of people forcing their opinion by law on someone else. And by your definition that is a dictatorship. And no I would not want my kids exposed to that immoral lifestyle in our home.

[rogue06]

That is an incident I deplore and I agree with Ms Forstater. I also deplore the way J K Rowling was treated as well as the British journalist Suzanne Moore.

Don't you "consider that to be a rather histrionic comment"?

[rogue06]

Again, that is not the point. It is one group of people forcing their opinion by law on someone else. And by your definition that is a dictatorship. And no I would not want my kids exposed to that immoral lifestyle in our home.

Have a nice trip

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[Mountain Man]

You are free to express your opinions, the problems arise when some of you start wanting to make your opinions the law of the land.

At which point your call for tolerance suddenly evaporates. You will "tolerate" us only as long as we keep our distance, which isn't tolerant at all.

[NorrinRadd]

You are in danger of presenting yourself as something of a bigot.

I will happily subject myself to the supposed "danger" of condemning deviant sexual practices, whether homo-, hetero-, or otherwise.

And per MM in post 27 and your reply in post 28, we are expected to advocate for proper morals, not just model them. However, I would say that we should prioritize advocating for proper morals among professing believers.

[NorrinRadd]

Their idea of Live and Let Live is basically Seek and Destroy.





And yes, I'm resisting linking to Paul McCartney's theme song for the Bond movie

First 007 movie I saw at a theater (drive-in, in this case).

Loved the 7-Up Guy (Geoffrey Holder) as Baron Samedi.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Don't you "consider that to be a rather histrionic comment"?

These are selected instances. I am not making the generalised claim about "the Left" in general. Clearly there are those on the liberal/Left [like myself, Rowling and Moore] who feel that the fanatics are wrong.

https://news.yahoo.com/jk-rowling-si...103935195.html

JK Rowling and Margaret Atwood are among 150 signatories who have signed an open letter objecting to “cancel culture”.

The letter, published in Harper’s Magazine, warns of an “intolerant climate” for free speech and comes amid a debate over “cancel culture”, the idea that public figures face criticism and shaming for what some perceive as offensive opinions.

“The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted,” the letter says

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

At which point your call for tolerance suddenly evaporates. You will "tolerate" us only as long as we keep our distance, which isn't tolerant at all.

You are entitled to your opinions.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I will happily subject myself to the supposed "danger" of condemning deviant sexual practices, whether homo-, hetero-, or otherwise.

And per MM in post 27 and your reply in post 28, we are expected to advocate for proper morals, not just model them. However, I would say that we should prioritize advocating for proper morals among professing believers.

What precisely are "proper morals"?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Again, that is not the point. It is one group of people forcing their opinion by law on someone else. And by your definition that is a dictatorship. And no I would not want my kids exposed to that immoral lifestyle in our home.

You have a democratic process by which to attempt to alter the law.

[Mountain Man]

You are entitled to your opinions.

Which you are only willing to tolerate as long as we keep them to ourselves, right?

[CivilDiscourse]

No you are not expected to celebrate other people's sexual choices.

Then again, what makes this person's trip to space worthy of EXTRA celebration?

[rogue06]

These are selected instances. I am not making the generalised claim about "the Left" in general. Clearly there are those on the liberal/Left [like myself, Rowling and Moore] who feel that the fanatics are wrong.

And you are in a rapidly vanishing minority. It's like saying that the party of speech codes, microaggressions, censorship, "hate speech" (anything they don't like) and the cancel culture still supports free speech like they did in the 60s and 70s just because there are a handful around who still do.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Which you are only willing to tolerate as long as we keep them to ourselves, right?

You are free to express your opinions.