Dakota Access Pipeline Debacle - and those Durned WHITE Men!

[rogue06]

I wish someone could answer this question. Attempted meetings with the tribe sound like courtesies, at best.

If you cannot bother to meet with the company in spite of multiple attempts on the company's part to do so complaining afterwards is a lot like complaining about the outcome of an election that you couldn't be bothered with voting in.

[MaxVel]

I wish someone could answer this question. Attempted meetings with the tribe sound like courtesies, at best.

Reading the email cited in the OP I wonder if they were actually obliged to. The proposed pipeline runs over private land. Maybe in doing a courtesy, they actually encouraged protest?

[RumTumTugger]

I wish someone could answer this question. Attempted meetings with the tribe sound like courtesies, at best.

did you read the report cp linked to further in the thread Carri the company did attempt such meetings at least one tribe refused go to them and lied about it being the company not trying to meet with them.

[Leonhard]

did you read the report cp linked to further in the thread Carri the company did attempt such meetings at least one tribe refused go to them and lied about it being the company not trying to meet with them.

But was it merely a courtesy meeting, or would they actually have redirected the pipeline?

[Cow Poke]

I wish someone could answer this question. Attempted meetings with the tribe sound like courtesies, at best.

Energy Transfer had several substantial concessions in mind. I'll try to find a link to the information that's not just "CP says cause he personally knows the principals involved".

[Starlight]

I've seen extensive video of in-person interviews with people at the pipeline protest, as well as extensive video footage of their interactions with police forces there which has consistently contradicted the narrative being pushed by police and the governor, and extensive discussion of the facts surrounding the building of the pipeline.

All of which leads me to believe that every part of the email cited in the OP is likely factually false and a pack of lies.

[Cow Poke]

I've seen extensive video of in-person interviews with people at the pipeline protest, as well as extensive video footage of their interactions with police forces there which has consistently contradicted the narrative being pushed by police and the governor, and extensive discussion of the facts surrounding the building of the pipeline.

All of which leads me to believe that every part of the email cited in the OP is likely factually false and a pack of lies.

Yes, the paid protesters are absolutely telling the truth.

[Starlight]

LOL, I should have checked today's news before posting that last post... Audio shows Standing Rock Sioux tribe objected to pipeline two years ago:

Recently released audio from a 2014 meeting between the Standing Rock Sioux and Dakota Access Pipeline executives

Did I predict it or what?

Also major news today, which is even headline news here in NZ:
Feds deny permit for Dakota Access pipeline

Federal officials have denied the final permits required for the Dakota Access Pipeline project in North Dakota.

The Army Corps of Engineers announced Sunday it would instead conduct an environmental impact review of the 1,170-mile pipeline project to determine if there are other ways to route the pipeline to avoid a crossing on the Missouri River.

[Starlight]

Yes, the paid protesters are absolutely telling the truth.

Your imagination is hilarious. Paid protesters? Seriously? What other idiocies can you come up with?

[Leonhard]

Energy Transfer had several substantial concessions in mind. I'll try to find a link to the information that's not just "CP says cause he personally knows the principals involved".

[Starlight]

and those Durned WHITE Men!

In response to the thread title, it's also worth noting that there are murky legal issues regarding the legal status of the land in the area and who owns it.

In the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868, the US government acknowledged Sioux ownership of the land in perpetuity. The treaty was subsequently broken by white colonists (like basically all other treaties made with natives in US history... ~sigh~), and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1980 that YES, the US government hadrefused the settlement, saying they didn't want their land to be bought for that money, they wanted control of their land as guaranteed under the 1868 treaty as acknowledged by the court. To this day the US treasury is holding the money in an account, that is accruing interest and now valued at over $1 billion, waiting to be paid out to the Sioux tribes if they accept it, and to this day they insist they do not want the money, they want the land that is rightfully theirs under treaty as acknowledged by the Supreme Court.

So these people who value their ancestral land more than a billion dollars, are saying they don't want a pipeline going across their land that is historically theirs according to treaty. The pipeline company could potentially get a thousand permits from the states and the feds for all that it mattered, but it's clear that the Sioux people who have a serious and substantial unresolved legal claim to the land are not giving their approval. And evidence suggests that these Sioux tribes can not be bought-off for any amount of money.

But do tell me more, CP, about your view that they're just doing it for the money... because that's sooooo believable! (It strikes me that this is the Blue Bell story repeating itself... CP knows people who run a company who he assumes are amazingly good people, who turn out to be utter criminals who lie through their teeth about everything...)

[Cow Poke]

But do tell me more, CP, about your view that they're just doing it for the money...

Not all of them, SL. As I said earlier, some of them are actually Native Americans concerned about their land. Additionally, there are environmental wackos who are drawn to this like moths to a flame.

[Raphael]

did you read the report cp linked to further in the thread Carri the company did attempt such meetings at least one tribe refused go to them and lied about it being the company not trying to meet with them.

While not related to anything in the US, I know of a similar situation here in NZ.

A local council was sorting out building a rail trail (cycle/walking trail along what used to be railroads). The land itself still belonged to NZRail (a SoE) and they changed the ownership to the local council.
Farmers were using the land, and the rail trail would be running through it, so a contentious issue.

There was a big article in the local papers with an interview from one farmer about how the council was pushing this through with no consultation with the farmers and no details for what was happening, and how wrong it was.

The Project manager had in-fact met with farmer in question multiple times, including spending two days with her right before the she did the interview where she claimed there had been no consultation.

[Starlight]

Additionally, there are environmental wackos who are drawn to this like moths to a flame.

So, oil pipelines, that have hundreds of documented leaks per year in the US, and who knows how many other leaks that the oil companies cover up per year, being put under environmentally sensitive areas such as rivers and lakes, shouldn't concern environmentalists? They're "wackos" for being concerned about the environment?!? Are the Army Corps of Engineers also environmental wackos for announcing their new environmental review of the pipeline's route? Do you actively hate the environment, or do you just not care about the parts of the world that other people have to live in?

[Cow Poke]

So, oil pipelines, that have hundreds of documented leaks per year in the US, and who knows how many other leaks that the oil companies cover up per year, being put under environmentally sensitive areas such as rivers and lakes, shouldn't concern environmentalists?

Drama, SL, Drama!

They're "wackos" for being concerned about the environment?!?

No, they're wackos when they do stuff like torch SUV dealerships, or burn tires or destroy property.

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Are the Army Corps of Engineers also environmental wackos for announcing their new environmental review of the pipeline's route? Do you actively hate the environment, or do you just not care about the parts of the world that other people have to live in?

I love the environment, SL. God created it, and I have been taught from the time I'm little to respect the land, and to be good stewards of all that God has given us.

Please feel free, however, to continue your emotional drama queen rant.