Ku Klux Klan makes it official

[Bill the Cat]

Pleading ignorance is only valid for the mentally ill.

[rogue06]

Yeah, that wouldn't have anything to do with early voting locations in mostly democratic districts being closed, or ligitimate voters being erased from the voter registration rolls, do ya think. The voter suppression efforts by republicans never ends. Its not an excuse, if people are motivated enough, though made more difficult for them, they can get around these tactical attemps by republicans to keep them at home. We'll see in the end just exactly how well republicans are able to undermine the democratic process.

Voter suppression, huh?

You mean like running a rigged primary where Hillary was pre-determined by the party bosses to win no matter who the voters selected?

Or maybe what the Democrats did in 2000 when it challenged overseas military absentee ballots (nearly all voting for Bush) all across Florida and succeeded in getting 1000 disallowed, primarily for lacking a postmark, in violation of both federal and state law.

They arbitrarily changed vote-counting criteria after the election in order to suppress the vote. The problem was so bad that according to an Associated Press report at the time "Orange County, for example, rejected 117 of its 147 overseas ballots. In Hillsborough County, 74 of the 135 ballots were rejected after Democrats raised concerns about postmark or signature problems."

What they were doing was so blatant it caused some Democrats to recoil and even Gore's VP pick, Senator Joseph Lieberman, felt it necessary to step forward and demand that election officials should give the ''benefit of the doubt'' to military voters.

And speaking of Florida, the MSM (now a branch of the Democratic Party in all but name only), called Gore the winner there causing many voters in the panhandle, where the polls were still open and a Republican stronghold, to turn around and go home without voting.

Moreover, nine years later, a Senate Rules Committee study revealed that roughly a quarter of overseas military voters (who vote overwhelmingly Republican) who requested absentee ballots did not have their votes counted in the 2008 election because they never received their ballots causing Congress to approve the Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act requiring that states send absentee ballots to overseas military personnel at least 45 days before the election so that time in transit will no longer be an issue.

Then in 2010 it was disclosed that the Obama Justice Department was urging states to use waivers in order to avoid having to abide by provisions of the MOVE Act and continue suppressing the military vote.

With that in mind the Obama campaign sued Ohio in 2012 over a provision which gave members of the military three extra days for early voting but claiming they weren't trying, once again, to suppress the military vote. Riiiight

Democrats like to scream and shout about alleged voter suppression while practicing it in earnest.

[rogue06]

Yeah, that wouldn't have anything to do with early voting locations in mostly democratic districts being closed, or ligitimate voters being erased from the voter registration rolls, do ya think. The voter suppression efforts by republicans never ends. Its not an excuse, if people are motivated enough, though made more difficult for them, they can get around these tactical attemps by republicans to keep them at home. We'll see in the end just exactly how well republicans are able to undermine the democratic process.

If those "early voting locations in mostly democratic districts" were closed you need to look no further than the Democrat officials in charge of running them. Republicans in locations like that have little or no power and can do little more than oversee the process to make sure blatant cheating isn't taking place.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, that wouldn't have anything to do with early voting locations in mostly democratic districts being closed,...

Probably for lack of interest by the democrats themselves.

[JimL]

Voter suppression, huh?

You mean like running a rigged primary where Hillary was pre-determined by the party bosses to win no matter who the voters selected?

No, I mean like actual voter suppression where elligible voters are erased from the registry and where many voting locations in democratic districts are closed.

Or maybe what the Democrats did in 2000 when it challenged overseas military absentee ballots (nearly all voting for Bush) all across Florida and succeeded in getting 1000 disallowed, primarily for lacking a postmark, in violation of both federal and state law.

Challenging the legitimacy of ballots is not voter suppression.

They arbitrarily changed vote-counting criteria after the election in order to suppress the vote. The problem was so bad that according to an Associated Press report at the time "Orange County, for example, rejected 117 of its 147 overseas ballots. In Hillsborough County, 74 of the 135 ballots were rejected after Democrats raised concerns about postmark or signature problems."

See above. Not voter suppression.

What they were doing was so blatant it caused some Democrats to recoil and even Gore's VP pick, Senator Joseph Lieberman, felt it necessary to step forward and demand that election officials should give the ''benefit of the doubt'' to military voters.

Concerns about the legitimacy of ballots is not voter suppression. Get it.

And speaking of Florida, the MSM (now a branch of the Democratic Party in all but name only), called Gore the winner there causing many voters in the panhandle, where the polls were still open and a Republican stronghold, to turn around and go home without voting.

Okay, if Breitbart says so, I guess it must be true, when the race was called, only a slew of republicans were still waiting in line to vote.

Moreover, nine years later, a Senate Rules Committee study revealed that roughly a quarter of overseas military voters (who vote overwhelmingly Republican) who requested absentee ballots did not have their votes counted in the 2008 election because they never received their ballots causing Congress to approve the Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act requiring that states send absentee ballots to overseas military personnel at least 45 days before the election so that time in transit will no longer be an issue.

Yeah, must have been a secret democrat plot to suppress the military vote then right. Got any facts to back up your assertions rogue?

Then in 2010 it was disclosed that the Obama Justice Department was urging states to use waivers in order to avoid having to abide by provisions of the MOVE Act and continue suppressing the military vote.

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. Do you?

With that in mind the Obama campaign sued Ohio in 2012 over a provision which gave members of the military three extra days for early voting but claiming they weren't trying, once again, to suppress the military vote. Riiiight

Sounds more like a republican voting scam which Obama sued to prevent.

Democrats like to scream and shout about alleged voter suppression while practicing it in earnest.

No, the only ones practicing it in earnest is republicans and it has been going on for years because they understand that they can't win in fair elections. You don't see democrats trying to eliminate legitimate voters from the registry, you don't see democrats closing voting locations in republican districts, you don't see from democrats the vast gerrymandering that republicans put into effect, you don't see democrats instituting voting ID laws and then making it more difficult to get those IDS. The truth is that the country is majority liberal, and the republicans are using every tactic they can think of, whether legal or illegal to hold on to power. The courts have struck down many of them already. Oh, I forgot, the courts are all liberally biased too, right?

[rogue06]

So in the outer limits of the Twilight Zone where JimL flits about throwing out legitimate votes from a group doesn't count as voter suppression. The Democrats have been systematically trying to suppress the vote from people in the military for going on two decades now.

As for whining about polls being closed in Democratic controlled areas, the only ones to blame are the Democrat officials in charge

If those "early voting locations in mostly democratic districts" were closed you need to look no further than the Democrat officials in charge of running them. Republicans in locations like that have little or no power and can do little more than oversee the process to make sure blatant cheating isn't taking place.

I guess these Democrat officials are part of Hillary's mythical "vast right wing conspiracy"

The media's calling the election in Florida for Gore while the polls were still open in the panhandle (what with its numerous military bases is a Republican stronghold) is not some "Breitbart says so" made-up story. Nobody denies it and it is easy enough to Google for yourself. There were still hundreds of people standing in line many of which simply left when the media called Florida for Gore. After all, why bother at that point. And in a race decided by a couple hundred votes that could have been crucial.

And it wasn't "a secret democrat plot to suppress the military vote" because they were quite blatantly open about what they were doing. That everyone knew what was going on is why a number of Democrats including Gore's VP pick spoke out against it. And yes, there is a smoking gun for the shenanigans that the Democrats were doing. A Democratic operative and Gore activist Tallahassee lawyer Mark Herron distributed a five-page memo for the Gore organization to Democratic organizations all across Florida, proving instructions on the ways that overseas military absentee ballots could be challenged and thrown out.

As the New York Times relates:

Source: EXAMINING THE VOTE; Lieberman Put Democrats In Retreat on Military Vote

In some ways, the Gore strategy paid off, as canvassing boards rejected hundreds of military votes that violated the law.Source

[*Emphasis added by rogue06*]

© Copyright Original Source

Actually the Times got it wrong about the ballots violating the law. The principle objection they cited, that the ballots weren't postmarked, is not a legitimate one for as Florida Administrative Code Title 1S-2.01(7) states

With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days from the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is otherwise proper.

[*Emphasis added by rogue06*]

Finally, as for your question "I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. Do you?" it is pretty obvious for anyone with at least half a brain (which I guess eliminates you). Obama's Department of Justice was coaching states on how to circumvent the Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act.

[JimL]

So in the outer limits of the Twilight Zone where JimL flits about throwing out legitimate votes from a group doesn't count as voter suppression. The Democrats have been systematically trying to suppress the vote from people in the military for going on two decades now.

As for whining about polls being closed in Democratic controlled areas, the only ones to blame are the Democrat officials in charge

I guess these Democrat officials are part of Hillary's mythical "vast right wing conspiracy"

The media's calling the election in Florida for Gore while the polls were still open in the panhandle (what with its numerous military bases is a Republican stronghold) is not some "Breitbart says so" made-up story. Nobody denies it and it is easy enough to Google for yourself. There were still hundreds of people standing in line many of which simply left when the media called Florida for Gore. After all, why bother at that point. And in a race decided by a couple hundred votes that could have been crucial.

And it wasn't "a secret democrat plot to suppress the military vote" because they were quite blatantly open about what they were doing. That everyone knew what was going on is why a number of Democrats including Gore's VP pick spoke out against it. And yes, there is a smoking gun for the shenanigans that the Democrats were doing. A Democratic operative and Gore activist Tallahassee lawyer Mark Herron distributed a five-page memo for the Gore organization to Democratic organizations all across Florida, proving instructions on the ways that overseas military absentee ballots could be challenged and thrown out.

As the New York Times relates:

Source: EXAMINING THE VOTE; Lieberman Put Democrats In Retreat on Military Vote

In some ways, the Gore strategy paid off, as canvassing boards rejected hundreds of military votes that violated the law.Source

[*Emphasis added by rogue06*]

© Copyright Original Source

Actually the Times got it wrong about the ballots violating the law. The principle objection they cited, that the ballots weren't postmarked, is not a legitimate one for as Florida Administrative Code Title 1S-2.01(7) states

With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days from the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is otherwise proper.

[*Emphasis added by rogue06*]

Finally, as for your question "I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. Do you?" it is pretty obvious for anyone with at least half a brain (which I guess eliminates you). Obama's Department of Justice was coaching states on how to circumvent the Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act.

Hey birdbrain, democratic districts means a mostly democrat constituency, not that they are somehow controlled by democrats. We're talking about red states controlled by republican legislators manipulating the process to suppress the democrat vote. How else are they going to win!

[Roy]

I'm still not even sure what the "alt right" is.

Keyboard shortcut for the browser's "page forward" function.

[Cow Poke]

Hey birdbrain,

wow

[rogue06]

Hey birdbrain, democratic districts means a mostly democrat constituency, not that they are somehow controlled by democrats. We're talking about red states controlled by republican legislators manipulating the process to suppress the democrat vote. How else are they going to win!

Hey numbskull, if the district primarily has a democratic majority they are almost certainly electing Democrats to run that district and those Democrat officials are in charge of running the polling places. And you like to claim that you've been intimately involved in running political campaigns. Doing what, fetching coffee and stuffing envelopes?

[One Bad Pig]

Hey numbskull, if the district primarily has a democratic majority they are almost certainly electing Democrats to run that district and those Democrat officials are in charge of running the polling places. And you like to claim that you've been intimately involved in running political campaigns. Doing what, fetching coffee and stuffing envelopes?

I think you're confusing JimL with Jaecp.

[rogue06]

I think you're confusing JimL with Jaecp.

[Sparko]

Yeah, that wouldn't have anything to do with early voting locations in mostly democratic districts being closed, or ligitimate voters being erased from the voter registration rolls, do ya think. The voter suppression efforts by republicans never ends. Its not an excuse, if people are motivated enough, though made more difficult for them, they can get around these tactical attemps by republicans to keep them at home. We'll see in the end just exactly how well republicans are able to undermine the democratic process.

Gee I thought you were arguing that there WAS NO VOTER FRAUD. yet here you are, arguing voter fraud when it suits your paranoia. ROFL.

[Sparko]

No, I mean like actual voter suppression where elligible voters are erased from the registry

Sorry, no matter how much you democrats want and need it, dead people are not eligible voters.

[JimL]

Gee I thought you were arguing that there WAS NO VOTER FRAUD. yet here you are, arguing voter fraud when it suits your paranoia. ROFL.

Apparently Sparko, you don't know the difference between voter fraud and voter suppression. There is plenty of voter suppression going on, its just another slimey tactic republicans feel they can't win without.