Delta variant and all future global variant surges (all are free post)

[NorrinRadd]

I've not heard that one.

Ok, just wondered.

My cousin was recently diagnosed with polycythemia vera, and I think her weird blood-work first showed up a few weeks after her jab (which she only got because her 40-year-old daughter literally cried and begged until she agreed).

[NorrinRadd]

Get vaxxed, get sick.

[Mountain Man]

Get vaxxed, get sick.

I'm not surprised. We've seen that trend pretty much from the beginning, first noticed in Israel which was the most vaccinated country early on. Now, even Fauci the Fraud has gone in record admitting that the vaccines "don't protect overly well against infection".

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...nst-infection/

[Mountain Man]

Woman in Canada was denied a life saving transplant because she hadn't received the China flu vaccine. Canadian court rules that her rights were not violated.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...an-transplant/

[Sparko]

Woman in Canada was denied a life saving transplant because she hadn't received the China flu vaccine. Canadian court rules that her rights were not violated.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...an-transplant/

They have always had many rules you have to follow to get a transplant. Usually you have to lose weight, stop smoking, stop drinking alcohol, get all sorts of vaccinations - not just COVID, have a heart examination to make sure you can withstand the operation, checked for cancers, get various tests and procedures, etc. Someone who refuses to comply will simply be told they will not be eligible for the transplant.

[Mountain Man]

So much for the left's "healthcare is a right" mantra.

[Sparko]

So much for the left's "healthcare is a right" mantra.

So you think someone who is needs a liver transplant should be able to continue drinking? Or a lung transplant should be able to keep smoking? Organs are hard to get and the waiting lists are long. Only those willing to change their lifestyles and comply with the requirements are allowed to even be on the list and even then it is not a guarantee they will get an organ. COVID vaccination is just one bit of the requirements. The last thing they want is to waste an organ on someone who could end up dying right afterwards because they refuse to get a simple shot.

[Mountain Man]

So you think someone who is needs a liver transplant should be able to continue drinking? Or a lung transplant should be able to keep smoking? Organs are hard to get and the waiting lists are long. Only those willing to change their lifestyles and comply with the requirements are allowed to even be on the list and even then it is not a guarantee they will get an organ. COVID vaccination is just one bit of the requirements. The last thing they want is to waste an organ on someone who could end up dying right afterwards because they refuse to get a simple shot.

Never mind that the China flu vaccine doesn't even work as advertised?

[Sparko]

Never mind that the China flu vaccine doesn't even work as advertised?

It offers more protection than no vaccine, unless you have already had it and survived.

[Mountain Man]

It offers more protection than no vaccine, unless you have already had it and survived.

There's no data to support that assertion. In fact, what publicly available data we do have suggests that the vaccine makes no difference at best, and makes people more susceptible to illness at worse.

The latest from Fauci the Fraud admitting that it won't stop infection effectively removes it from the vaccine category.

[Sparko]

There's no data to support that assertion. In fact, what publicly available data we do have suggests that the vaccine makes no difference at best, and makes people more susceptible to illness at worse.

The latest from Fauci the Fraud admitting that it won't stop infection effectively removes it from the vaccine category.

There is plenty of data to support it, You just dismiss it and rely on your own conspiracy sources instead. We have argued this ad nauseum. I know I am not going to change your mind. But most medical doctors believe the actual data and your disagreeing with them does not change their minds. As they are the ones doing the transplants, they have the right to set the conditions a patient has to follow to get the transplant. If not, the patient can go elsewhere. There is no right to get an organ even under a socialist healthcare system. There are many more patients in need of organs than organs available.

[Mountain Man]

There is plenty of data to support it, You just dismiss it and rely on your own conspiracy sources instead. We have argued this ad nauseum. I know I am not going to change your mind. But most medical doctors believe the actual data and your disagreeing with them does not change their minds. As they are the ones doing the transplants, they have the right to set the conditions a patient has to follow to get the transplant. If not, the patient can go elsewhere. There is no right to get an organ even under a socialist healthcare system. There are many more patients in need of organs than organs available.

As I've noted before, I am not cherry picking data. I am taking all information into consideration, and based on this, one can reasonably conclude that the vaccine effectiveness ranges from "does nothing" to "makes things worse", because that's what a full accounting of the data shows.

As for the opinions of doctors, most of them simply accept what they are told by the pharmacutical manufacturers. It has been like that for years. It's not like your personal doctor is doing his own independent research to verify the "studies" he receives in the marketing packets. You also have to consider the tremendous pressure they are under with the threat of losing their license if they dare to contradict the government approved messaging.

https://www.newsweek.com/medical-boa...cation-1629157

[Sparko]

As I've noted before, I am not cherry picking data. I am taking all information into consideration, and based on this, one can reasonably conclude that the vaccine effectiveness ranges from "does nothing" to "makes things worse", because that's what a full accounting of the data shows.

As for the opinions of doctors, most of them simply accept what they are told by the pharmacutical manufacturers. It has been like that for years. It's not like your personal doctor is doing his own independent research to verify the "studies" he receives in the marketing packets. You also have to consider the tremendous pressure they are under with the threat of losing their license if they dare to contradict the government approved messaging.

https://www.newsweek.com/medical-boa...cation-1629157

I know you think you are the epitome of unbiased investigation but I assure you, you are not. You cherry pick what you accept and characterize anything that doesn't line up with that as some sort of conspiracy to kill people with poison.

[Mountain Man]

I know you think you are the epitome of unbiased investigation but I assure you, you are not. You cherry pick what you accept and characterize anything that doesn't line up with that as some sort of conspiracy to kill people with poison.

Says the guy who dismisses anything he doesn't like as a conspiracy theory.

No, I do not believe that the government is trying to deliberately kill people with the vaccine. However, we do know, based on the data, that the government is not being forthcoming about the fact that the vaccines are not nearly as safe and effective as advertised. The reason for this, I think, is very simple and obvious: the government agency that is supposed to watchdog the pharmaceutical companies receives a majority of its funding from those very same pharmaceutical companies. It's a classic case of the fox guarding the hen house.

[Bill the Cat]

New coronavirus subvariants escape antibodies from vaccination and prior Omicron infection, studies suggest

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/healt...ine/index.html

CNN)Omicron subvariants BA.4 and BA.5 appear to escape antibody responses among both people who had previous Covid-19 infection and those who have been fully vaccinated and boosted, according to new data from researchers at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, of Harvard Medical School.

However, Covid-19 vaccination is still expected to provide substantial protection against severe disease, and vaccine makers are working on updated shots that might elicit a stronger immune response against the variants.
The levels of neutralizing antibodies that a previous infection or vaccinations elicit are several times lower against the BA.4 and BA.5 subvariants compared with the original coronavirus, according to the new research published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday.