The USA and "Anglo-Saxon traditions".

[rogue06]

Once again rather nebulous terms are being employed. What precisely is "Anglo-Saxon, or if you prefer, British tradition"?

I guess I should have continued using quotation marks around the word British and the like so that it wouldn't confuse you.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Native Americans are also immigrants. They just came earlier.

And this is a discussion about the culture of the U.S.A., which without Europeans wouldn't exist. And the original culture of the U.S.A. has its foundation in Anglo-Saxon, or if you prefer, British, tradition.

Once again rather nebulous terms are being employed. What precisely is "Anglo-Saxon, or if you prefer, British tradition"?

[rogue06]

from the article...

The group calls for limiting legal immigration “to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law.” It voices support for infrastructure “that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture.”

In a striking criticism, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., issued a tweet that an aide confirmed was aimed at the group.

“America is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. It isn’t built on identity, race, or religion,” McCarthy wrote. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans — not nativist dog whistles.”


IMO, both sentiments---U.S. is "WASP"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...on_Protestants
Or that the U.S. represents equality for all....are both myths....

---the "real" culture of the Americas is that of the First Nations/Native peoples---European-Americans ARE the immigrants---They are also the immigrants that refused to "assimilate" and destroyed the "real" culture of the inhabitants.
---the European-Americans were not "Anglo-Saxon" (Britain) but initially the Americas were colonized by the Spanish, French and British....I think?
---Inequality was built into the "System" from the very beginning---the whole colonizing project was justified on the basis of superiority of one group over the "other".
---capitalism was not about "honest hard work"--huge success in this system is built on the exploitation of one group for the profits of a privileged few. (trade and colonization went hand-in-hand)

The anxiety over the decline of European-American heritage may have merit?---Some demographics show a decline of European-American heritage group from 80% of the national U.S. population to about 60% (with Hispanic and Asian-Americans as the fastest growing group)
https://www.brookings.edu/research/n...han-predicted/

However, it has been possible for minority groups to survive in the U.S.---so European-Americans should also be able to survive (culturally) as minorities when the time comes?
Still, it may be a good time to re-evaluate what it might mean to be a minority in an unequal system?---If the present system of policing were to continue---but the racial make-up reversed...with majority black-American police force that polices a minority white-American community, ---what would that be like? will the jails be filled with the white-American minorities?

Native Americans are also immigrants. They just came earlier.

And this is a discussion about the culture of the U.S.A., which without Europeans wouldn't exist. And the original culture of the U.S.A. has its foundation in Anglo-Saxon, or if you prefer, British, tradition.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

from the article...

The group calls for limiting legal immigration “to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law.” It voices support for infrastructure “that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture.”

In a striking criticism, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., issued a tweet that an aide confirmed was aimed at the group.

“America is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. It isn’t built on identity, race, or religion,” McCarthy wrote. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans — not nativist dog whistles.”


IMO, both sentiments---U.S. is "WASP"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...on_Protestants
Or that the U.S. represents equality for all....are both myths....

---the "real" culture of the Americas is that of the First Nations/Native peoples---European-Americans ARE the immigrants---They are also the immigrants that refused to "assimilate" and destroyed the "real" culture of the inhabitants.
---the European-Americans were not "Anglo-Saxon" (Britain) but initially the Americas were colonized by the Spanish, French and British....I think?
---Inequality was built into the "System" from the very beginning---the whole colonizing project was justified on the basis of superiority of one group over the "other".
---capitalism was not about "honest hard work"--huge success in this system is built on the exploitation of one group for the profits of a privileged few. (trade and colonization went hand-in-hand)

The anxiety over the decline of European-American heritage may have merit?---Some demographics show a decline of European-American heritage group from 80% of the national U.S. population to about 60% (with Hispanic and Asian-Americans as the fastest growing group)
https://www.brookings.edu/research/n...han-predicted/

However, it has been possible for minority groups to survive in the U.S.---so European-Americans should also be able to survive (culturally) as minorities when the time comes?
Still, it may be a good time to re-evaluate what it might mean to be a minority in an unequal system?---If the present system of policing were to continue---but the racial make-up reversed...with majority black-American police force that polices a minority white-American community, ---what would that be like? will the jails be filled with the white-American minorities?

It is this mythologised Anglo-Saxon heritage that is being claimed.

What Ms Greene and those like her really mean by Anglo-Saxon is White and Protestant and originating from England and/or Northern Europe.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Ah. Just an academic with which you happen to agree, then.

You made this remark at post #9, "Mr. Sayer doth protest too much, it seems."

Where is your evidence to demonstrate that Sayer is protesting too much?

[siam]

from the article...

The group calls for limiting legal immigration “to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law.” It voices support for infrastructure “that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture.”

In a striking criticism, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., issued a tweet that an aide confirmed was aimed at the group.

“America is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. It isn’t built on identity, race, or religion,” McCarthy wrote. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans — not nativist dog whistles.”


IMO, both sentiments---U.S. is "WASP"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...on_Protestants
Or that the U.S. represents equality for all....are both myths....

---the "real" culture of the Americas is that of the First Nations/Native peoples---European-Americans ARE the immigrants---They are also the immigrants that refused to "assimilate" and destroyed the "real" culture of the inhabitants.
---the European-Americans were not "Anglo-Saxon" (Britain) but initially the Americas were colonized by the Spanish, French and British....I think?
---Inequality was built into the "System" from the very beginning---the whole colonizing project was justified on the basis of superiority of one group over the "other".
---capitalism was not about "honest hard work"--huge success in this system is built on the exploitation of one group for the profits of a privileged few. (trade and colonization went hand-in-hand)

The anxiety over the decline of European-American heritage may have merit?---Some demographics show a decline of European-American heritage group from 80% of the national U.S. population to about 60% (with Hispanic and Asian-Americans as the fastest growing group)
https://www.brookings.edu/research/n...han-predicted/

However, it has been possible for minority groups to survive in the U.S.---so European-Americans should also be able to survive (culturally) as minorities when the time comes?
Still, it may be a good time to re-evaluate what it might mean to be a minority in an unequal system?---If the present system of policing were to continue---but the racial make-up reversed...with majority black-American police force that polices a minority white-American community, ---what would that be like? will the jails be filled with the white-American minorities?

[rogue06]

Was she raised in Mexico? Is that where she learned to cook? And even with the skills, you need authentic ingredients. Where there are large immigrant communities, the local grocery stores will stock brands imported from Mexico, so they can keep the taste the same, but there has to be a big enough community to make it worth handing over the shelf space. Mexican-branded rice and beans and spices and whatnot are more expensive. Non-Mexicans won't pay the premium and grocery stores prioritize shelf space based on dollars per square inch per day. Outside the top five Hispanic markets, LA, New York, Chicago, Miami and El Paso, it doesn't really make business sense.

But outside of Mexico itself, you can't get anything better than an approximation. The real deal is when a middle-aged mamacita hears you trying out your broken Spanish in the town bodega and claims you as her son and insists that you come home with her so she can make you tortillas while gossiping how her daughter's tortillas are made thin but she's been making them thick her whole life and you're stopping her to say it slower and repeat a bit and ...

It's hard thinking about those times, remembering when my biggest worry was getting stopped by federales but you could avoid them by staying off the main highways. I wouldn't dare do those trips today.

Just like you don't expect to get authentic Asian foods at your big chain grocery stores you shouldn't expect to get authentic Mexican food or ingredients there. Typically there are small specialized food markets in areas where there are a lot of that particular minority living. The place I used to get my Philippine banana ketchup from had a name that I'm sure means something totally different looks too vulgar to post here.

[Juvenal]

Ah. Just an academic with which ...

*whom

[Juvenal]

My wife is half Mexican, so I do get the real deal.

Was she raised in Mexico? Is that where she learned to cook? And even with the skills, you need authentic ingredients. Where there are large immigrant communities, the local grocery stores will stock brands imported from Mexico, so they can keep the taste the same, but there has to be a big enough community to make it worth handing over the shelf space. Mexican-branded rice and beans and spices and whatnot are more expensive. Non-Mexicans won't pay the premium and grocery stores prioritize shelf space based on dollars per square inch per day. Outside the top five Hispanic markets, LA, New York, Chicago, Miami and El Paso, it doesn't really make business sense.

But outside of Mexico itself, you can't get anything better than an approximation. The real deal is when a middle-aged mamacita hears you trying out your broken Spanish in the town bodega and claims you as her son and insists that you come home with her so she can make you tortillas while gossiping how her daughter's tortillas are made thin but she's been making them thick her whole life and you're stopping her to say it slower and repeat a bit and ...

It's hard thinking about those times, remembering when my biggest worry was getting stopped by federales but you could avoid them by staying off the main highways. I wouldn't dare do those trips today.

[Ronson]

I can't find a copy of the actual document either, which is troubling, but it's extensively quoted by a healthy variety of news sites. Given the broad harvest of quotes, it'd be difficult to dismiss it as cherry picking.

Now published.

https://punchbowl.news/wp-content/up...rm-FINAL-2.pdf

[Reepicheep]

Fun while it lasted.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) is abandoning her plan to launch a right-wing congressional group dubbed the America First Caucus after the publication of a seven page platform vowing to protect “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” by congressional newsletter Punchbowl News, her spokesperson told Forbes...Members of Congress in both parties interpreted the platform’s references to “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” and “the progeny of European architecture” as coded white supremacist language. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans—not nativist dog whistles,” tweeted McCarthy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrews...h=7110ce904198

[One Bad Pig]

Umm, yeah, no. Yeah, better than "Mexican" food sold in Canada. Yeah, put together by authentic Mexicans. No, not authentic Mexican food.

Speaking from my young man's experience prior to the onset of the "drug war" as an inveterate border hopper living in the desert southwest near the Mexican border, Mexican food in the southern US bears the same resemblance to authentic Mexican food as gourmet does to the peasant dishes from which it derives. Same basic architecture but substituting more expensive, higher quality ingredients and add-ons that aren't available to the rural Mexicans living in Mexico who created the dishes. Sure, the closer they are to the border, the more likely they are to use authentic ingredients, one reason why their Canadian doppelgangers come in distinctive shades of Mary Shelley.

My wife is half Mexican, so I do get the real deal.

[One Bad Pig]

Can you not read?

Ah. Just an academic with which you happen to agree, then.

Engla land, the land of the Angles. Hence today there is a region of south east England still known as East Anglia.

Well, yes. I appreciate that you agree with me.

I suspect most reasonable individuals would take the informed opinion of an academic based at a university in the north of England over the remarks of a pseudonymous contributor to an insignificant Christian discussion board on the internet.

But perhaps I am just biased.

I expect reasonable individuals to examine the evidence for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Given the state of the profession today, being an academic merely means one is better able to select evidence to fit one's views, no matter how skewed.

[Ronson]

I can't find a copy of the actual document either, which is troubling, but it's extensively quoted by a healthy variety of news sites. Given the broad harvest of quotes, it'd be difficult to dismiss it as cherry picking.

All of the stories I've seen, including the AP story in the o/p, quote from the source.

Without access to the source, that can't be verified.

Including this one, ironically enough, which a quick sampling shows is mostly gleaned from published corrections, and includes no independent fact-checking by the author. The bias here is toward google journalism and alternative sources that are less wedded to correcting the record when they get it wrong. I'd argue that neither of those is a good thing.

"Google journalism" or not, such lists are helpful to keep the MSM in check. Heck, we have already verified this week that the Russian-bounty story was a hype job from the NYT.

[Ronson]

FWIU, Mexican food along the border adapted to the gringo tourist expectations back in the mid 20th cent., and what had been somewhat bland before got spiced up a bit.

I've been along the border, in Mexico City, the Yucatan and even Oaxacan (out in the arid sticks), and the food, as you would expect, was different in each place. This was all during the late 70s and early 80s mind you (although the first time in Mexico City was in the mid 60s as a young'un).

Here in HOTlanta I can go into little hole in the wall Mexican cafes to larger Mexican restaurants and I swear that it doesn't matter where I get it from I can't taste any difference between them. Good thing I love it.

I always get a enchilada, burrito, and taco with a margarita (some times two). My current favorite is a larger restaurant at the end of a strip center owned and operated by a family (four generations), which while it tastes the same are larger portions for the same price. Plus they have cheap margaritas (price not quality).

I've been to Mexico a few times but I can't recall what I ate there, or compared it to what I've had in SW US. There's a family that moved to Orange, California and opened a restaurant called Pepito's that I almost lived at for 20 years. The family was from the southern reaches of Mexico and served black beans with everything. Best darn veggie burritos.