Yet again.

[Gondwanaland]

It gives a false impression of the victim.
As best I can tell from the video, the shooter didn't know there was a gun violation, just that there was an outstanding warrant.

Multiple news agencies reported multiple warrants. And BTW his warrant(s) were for failure to appear for two different charges - gross misdemeanor and illegal gun. And it was for a ZOOM hearing. The dude didn't even have to leave his home and travel to a courthouse, he just had to hop on Zoom.

Oh, and this recently came out:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wr...-he-was-killed

[Gondwanaland]

Come off it, CP. Running away is not fighting.

It is when you were being held with your hands behind your back, getting cuffs put on your wrists.

[rogue06]

Conventional wisdom also says that people don't run away from the police unless they're guilty of something. If you see a cop and start to run, they will pursue and arrest even if they had no interest in you before you ran.

Do you remember the Clinton appointed judge who ruled that running from the police was just a natural response for some people and therefore not illegal? IIRC, it involved a case up in Michigan.

[Mountain Man]

Typically you have to do something first in order to run away unless you take off at first site of the cops. That's where the resisting arrest comes into play rather than evading arrest.

Conventional wisdom also says that people don't run away from the police unless they're guilty of something. If you see a cop and start to run, they will pursue and arrest even if they had no interest in you before you ran.

[rogue06]

Today the news said he also had a warrant out for attempted armed robbery. The police had good reason to want to arrest him and to stop him from getting back into his car. He could have been going for a gun. The shooting was an accident. Manslaughter. Not murder.

If ever someone could be charges with being criminally stupid it is the officer who shot this guy. But you're right. It definitely isn't murder. There was no intent.

[rogue06]

I am a white, law-abiding male from a white, law-abiding family, and *I* was given "the talk" decades ago.

What should not be necessary is making "the talk" a matter of race or gender.

If I were black and a father I'd make my kids watch Chris Rock's video on how not to get arrested every year on their birthday once they reached double digits. In fact if I were a father I'd make my kids watch it regardless of race.

[rogue06]

It gives a false impression of the victim.

From being a wanted criminal to being a wanted criminal.

As best I can tell from the video, the shooter didn't know there was a gun violation, just that there was an outstanding warrant.

You got that from a video. The ability to read someone's mind from watching a video of them. That's quite a talent there.

[rogue06]

Come off it, CP. Running away is not fighting.

Typically you have to do something first in order to run away unless you take off at first site of the cops. That's where the resisting arrest comes into play rather than evading arrest.

[rogue06]

Yes, we should avoid blaming the victim

Did the left ever throw that belief into the waste basket what with trying to constantly defend all of the assaults on people for wearing a MAGA hat. Then it was they were "asking for it" by wearing the hat.

[Sparko]

It gives a false impression of the victim.
As best I can tell from the video, the shooter didn't know there was a gun violation, just that there was an outstanding warrant.

Today the news said he also had a warrant out for attempted armed robbery. The police had good reason to want to arrest him and to stop him from getting back into his car. He could have been going for a gun. The shooting was an accident. Manslaughter. Not murder.

[CivilDiscourse]

False equivalence. Some fool getting "passed out drunk" is neither the same level nor kind of foolishness as "resisting arrest."

I never said they were. But, the same is true. The question of whether the mitigating action was taken becomes irrelevant once the other person acts. The question then becomes whether that other person was right or wrong in acting.

[Roy]

When you get into any fight you need to be aware how quickly it can escalate. And this is even truer when you ....

... try to drive away from the police?

[Roy]

Multiple warrants? All the sources I've found say there was just one.

1. Does it really matter?

It gives a false impression of the victim.

ANY gun violation is going to be a red flag for police. And when he was so desperate to get back to his car for some unknown reason, that gun violation is something that will most definitely be kept in mind.

As best I can tell from the video, the shooter didn't know there was a gun violation, just that there was an outstanding warrant.

[Roy]

It was a lawful arrest, and he attempted to "get away from" by means of "fighting off" the arrest.

Come off it, CP. Running away is not fighting.

[NorrinRadd]

This always has to go back to that.

No, it's not her FAULT for getting raped, but if I love my daughter - and I love both of them - I'm going to do everything in my power to help them understand the risks that get significantly greater when a woman is intoxicated around men.

Just like if I were the father of a black man --- I AGREE that "the talk" should NOT be necessary --- but if I love my black son, I'm going to do my best to help him understand that the risks get significantly greater when he resists in a police action.

I am a white, law-abiding male from a white, law-abiding family, and *I* was given "the talk" decades ago.

What should not be necessary is making "the talk" a matter of race or gender.