Yet again.

[oxmixmudd]

If ever someone could be charges with being criminally stupid it is the officer who shot this guy. But you're right. It definitely isn't murder. There was no intent.

I'm not even sure she was criminally stupid. Mistakes happen, but at the same time, it was her job to make sure they did not happen. There are so many sad things about this case it's somewhat overwhelming. I am sympathetic to all involved on this one. Not sympathetic to continued rioting after the release of the video. There was no intent here. It was a tragic mistake and both the shooter and the victim made fatal mistakes any one of which avoided would have left the man alive and unharmed.

Though I doubt we'll ever be told, I'd really like to know what, if anything, caused her to have her gun in her hand in the first place. She had just trained a rookie that day IIRC, and knew first hand what could happen if one mixes the two from her involvement in a previous and similar case. So what lapse in protocol, what immediate distraction resulted in her holding a gun instead of a taser. She clearly thought what she had in her hand was a taser.

[rogue06]

And "cut to the chase".

One of the best police chase scenes ever was Steve McQueen's in Bullit

[Cow Poke]

Gotta make the drama quota.

And "cut to the chase".

[rogue06]

Which brings us back to the cop shows where they're looking for a specific individual, they spot him, and from a block away, they yell his name....... and the chase is on!

Gotta make the drama quota.

[Cow Poke]

I think that a lot of this was made moot by Illinois v. Wardlow in 2000 when the SCOTUS ruled that if a person in a high-crime neighborhood runs in "unprovoked flight" from a police officer, that the standard of reasonable suspicion has been met

Which brings us back to the cop shows where they're looking for a specific individual, they spot him, and from a block away, they yell his name....... and the chase is on!

[rogue06]

I don't remember that - but that sure sounds a lot more suspicious than a bunch of guys standing on the corner breaking into a run. (That's suspicious enough in itself, of course)

I think that a lot of this was made moot by Illinois v. Wardlow in 2000 when the SCOTUS ruled that if a person in a high-crime neighborhood runs in "unprovoked flight" from a police officer, that the standard of reasonable suspicion has been met

[Cow Poke]

IIRC it was a standard traffic stop with everyone bailing as soon as the vehicle pulled over situation. .

I don't remember that - but that sure sounds a lot more suspicious than a bunch of guys standing on the corner breaking into a run. (That's suspicious enough in itself, of course)

[rogue06]

Yeah, but if I recall, that was prior to actual contact. In other words, a patrol car drives down the block, and three guys break into a run --- that's not a crime, nor can it be used as a premise for an arrest. But once they're being detained, running becomes a problem.

IIRC it was a standard traffic stop with everyone bailing as soon as the vehicle pulled over situation. .

[Cow Poke]

Do you remember the Clinton appointed judge who ruled that running from the police was just a natural response for some people and therefore not illegal? IIRC, it involved a case up in Michigan.

Yeah, but if I recall, that was prior to actual contact. In other words, a patrol car drives down the block, and three guys break into a run --- that's not a crime, nor can it be used as a premise for an arrest. But once they're being detained, running becomes a problem.

[Cow Poke]

It is when you were being held with your hands behind your back, getting cuffs put on your wrists.

Absolutely - it drastically changes the dynamic. And I think Roy knows that.

[Cow Poke]

It gives a false impression of the victim.
As best I can tell from the video, the shooter didn't know there was a gun violation, just that there was an outstanding warrant.

An outstanding warrant ALWAYS changes the situation, and not knowing what the warrant is for necessitates assuming the worst.

[Cow Poke]

I am a white, law-abiding male from a white, law-abiding family, and *I* was given "the talk" decades ago.

What should not be necessary is making "the talk" a matter of race or gender.

And, again, SHOULD NOT be necessary doesn't Trump "it's the smart thing to do".

[Cow Poke]

Come off it, CP. Running away is not fighting.

Off what? Resisting arrest and running away is most certainly initiating a fight. Unless you think the cops are gonna say "gosh golly, I guess we'll get him next time". Come on, Roy, you're smarter than this.

[Gondwanaland]

I've heard some people speculate that he didn't know that there was a warrant out for his arrest. Given that he decided not to go to court (or even attend a zoom session), it is inconceivable that he wasn't aware that there was a warrant out for his arrest. It is likely why he struggled and tried to get in his car to run away. He knew he was going to jail.

True, although I guess the argument is slightly feasible given that his gross misdemeanor from what I understand was for..... fleeing the police. So I guess they could argue that's just in his nature to run from police , but yeah, highly doubtful he didn't know he was going to get a warrant for skipping court - that's something you're usually informed of when you're charged in the first place.

[rogue06]

Multiple news agencies reported multiple warrants. And BTW his warrant(s) were for failure to appear for two different charges - gross misdemeanor and illegal gun. And it was for a ZOOM hearing. The dude didn't even have to leave his home and travel to a courthouse, he just had to hop on Zoom.

Oh, and this recently came out:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wr...-he-was-killed

I've heard some people speculate that he didn't know that there was a warrant out for his arrest. Given that he decided not to go to court (or even attend a zoom session), it is inconceivable that he wasn't aware that there was a warrant out for his arrest. It is likely why he struggled and tried to get in his car to run away. He knew he was going to jail.