Riots in DC outside capitol building

[Reepicheep]

A longer version of the above. They're actually chanting "hang Mike Pence." Hoo boy.

If Trump's exit policy still involves getting a pardon from Pence, then I suspect Trump might be out of luck.

Pence's wife and daughter were with him when the capitol building was attacked, and they accompanied him when the secret service rushed Pence to a secure location. If I was Pence, I certainly wouldn't look too kindly on the person responsible for threatening my family.

[CivilDiscourse]

Not a few people there were hundreds if not thousands involved.

It was violent demonstration

The vast majority were peaceful. Sure, a few got rowdy, but that's to be expected when large numbers of people gather and have highly charged emotions.

[CivilDiscourse]

I recognize the difference between the majority peaceful protests like those attended by my son that both began and ended peacefully, and those that became or were plagued by violence as in seattle. I never supported the violence, but I did call out Trump's attempts to create a Federal police force to deal with it - a force he could have invoked yesterday to secure his sedition - and I most certainly called out Trump's comments that, like yesterday, stoked the unrest driving it.

And you can't speak for anyone here but yourself ( unless some others have authorized you to speak for them ), but I do acknowledge your statements as reflecting your position.

I completely reject the notion that violent protests can be placed in the same category of event as the insurrection that occurred yesterday. Had no one been hurt yesterday - it would still have been an insurrection and treason. They would have still stormed the capitol with the purpose of stopping the lawful governance of congress to retain trump in power!

And had the protests been 2x as violent as they wetheythwy still would NOT have been an insurrection and treason stoked and encouraged and planned by the US president!

The founding fathers committed an insurrection and treason. Are you saying that was worse than BLM protests?

[oxmixmudd]

The founding fathers committed an insurrection and treason. Are you saying that was worse than BLM protests?

Yes they did, and that has always been the elephant in the room discrepany/hypocrisy/conflict.

however, in this case there is one huge and significant difference. This is about a single man's desire to have power. The American Revolution was about ideals that centered around very lofty ideals regarding government by the people and for the people in throwing off the very kind of tyrrany Trump seeks for himself.

You guys that support him basically occupy the place of the Israelites demanding God give them a King like the other nations have.

[CivilDiscourse]

Yes they did, and that has always been the elephant in the room discrepany/hypocrisy/conflict.

however, in this case there is one huge and significant difference. This is about a single man's desire to have power. The American Revolution was about ideals that centered around very lofty ideals regarding government by the people and for the people in throwing off the very kind of tyrrany Trump seeks for himself.

You guys that support him basically occupy the place of the Israelites demanding God give them a King like the other nations have.

The riot is the language of the unheard, what if you wantt o throw a bunch of tea in the water and start a war, that's what this country was built on.

(BTW, you'll need to back up anywhere where I've supported Trump.)

[shunyadragon]

The vast majority were peaceful. Sure, a few got rowdy, but that's to be expected when large numbers of people gather and have highly charged emotions.

Assaulting and desecrating the US Capital Building urged on by Trump to march and fight cannot be excused as 'having highly charged emotions.' Thousands broke trough the barricades, hundreds trashed the building, and five died.

As usual you minimize tragic criminal events to justify the your agenda, and your failed Messiah Trump.

[CivilDiscourse]

Assaulting and desecrating the US Capital Building urged on by Trump to march and fight cannot be excused as 'having highly charged emotions.' Thousands broke trough the barricades, hundreds trashed the building, and five died.

As usual you minimize tragic criminal events to justify the your agenda, and your failed Messiah Trump.

Trashed the building - It's only property.

It wasn't a riot, it was .... Frustration.

Don't blame trump for provoking violence, MLK did too.

[oxmixmudd]

The founding fathers committed an insurrection and treason. Are you saying that was worse than BLM protests?

They did in fact do that. That is in many ways the elephant in the room. And if all your mind can do is process the definitions of the words, and you represent the average Trump supporter mentality, then we as a country have little hope.

So let's see if you can think through this with me.

The American Revolution and what we saw yesterday can both be defined with words like insurrection and treason. That is their 'form' as it were. But they are polar opposites in terms of content.

The American Revolution was about throwing off the tyrrany of a cult of a man, the tyrany of a king and a people subject to his whims or needs. It was about establishing a government by the people, for the people, where lofty ideals of honor and justice and the role of a people to govern themselves were lifted high. Where all the rampant forms of corruption seen in the European governments of the time from nepotosm to cronyism were to be put aside. From the preamble to the emoluments clause to the various amendments we see this focus on respect for our fellow man and the God given rights of ALL the people being respected. And further, something never a part of corrupt governments, the acknowledgement of the need for a free press to hold the government accountable to the people.

All that was reversed on Wednesday. Here a band of thugs intent on installing their king against the express will of the people as expressed in a free and fair election tried to upend the lofty goals of our Revolution and illegally put in place a man that is the embodiment of nearly every form of corruption the founding fathers explicitly tried to prevent.

What we are witnessing is a free people preferring tyrrany over freedom, a people in a cult wanting their cult leader to take power from the people.

A cult??

A cult. What do cult leaders do? They focus the attention of their followers on themselves. And most importantly, they require their followers to cut themselves off from all influences or sources of information contrary to their teachings. Trump has called all contrary sources of information 'fake news' and so now his cult following only listens to sources that laud him or that he himself praises. Those that tell of his greatness. No source that does not speak of his greatness can be heard. Even now, as platforms like Twitter and Facebook and others cut off his falsehoods and lies, his followers believe him over all these other sources and are flocking to any and every source that will allow him to continue to speak to his cult lhis words that are just lies and falsehoods.

Millions upon millions of people engrossed in the cult of the man, cutting themselves off from any and all sources that call out his corruption or that do not laud and praise his deeds.

[CivilDiscourse]

They did in fact do that. That is in many ways the elephant in the room. And if all your mind can do is process the definitions of the words, and you represent the average Trump supporter mentality, then we as a country have little hope.

So let's see if you can think through this with me. the American Revolution and what we saw yesterday can both be defined with words like insurrection and treason. That is their 'form' as it were. But they are polar opposites in terms of content.

The American Revolution was about throwing off the tyrrany of a cult of a man, the tyreany of a king and a people subject to his whims or needs. It was about establishing a government by the people, for the people, where lofty ideals of honor and justice and the role of a people to govern themselves were lifted high. Where all the rampant forms of corruption seen in the European governments of the time from nepotosm to cronyism were to be put aside. From the preamble to the emoluments clause to the various amendments we see this focus on respect for our fellow man and the God given rights of ALL the people being respected to the acknowledgement of the need for a free press to hold the government accountable to the people.

All that was reversed on Wednesday. Here a band of thugs intent on installing their king against the express will of the people as expressed in a free and fair election tried to upend the lofty goals of our Revolution and illegally put in place a man that is the embodiment of nearly every form of corruption the founding fathers explicitly tried to prevent.

What we are witnessing is a free people preferring tyrrany over freedom, a people in a cult wanting their cult leader to take power from the people.

a cult??

A cult.. What do cult leaders do? They focus the attention of their followers on themselves.. and most importantly, they require their followers to cut themselves off from all influences or sources of information contrary to their teachings. Trump has called all contrary sources of information 'fake news' and so now his cult following only listens to sources that laud him or that he himself praises. Those that tell of his greatness. No source that does not speak of his greatness can be heard. Even now, as platforms like Twitter and Facebook and others cut off his falsehoods and lies, his followers believe him over all these other sources and are flocking to any and every source that will allow him to continue to speak to his cult lhis words that are just lies and falsehoods.

Millions upon millions of people engrossed in the cult of the man, cutting themselves off from any and all sources that call out his corruption of that do not laud and praise his deeds.

The riot is the language of the unheard, what if you want to throw a bunch of tea in the water and start a war, that's what this country was built on.

[CivilDiscourse]

They did in fact do that. That is in many ways the elephant in the room. And if all your mind can do is process the definitions of the words, and you represent the average Trump supporter mentality, then we as a country have little hope.

So let's see if you can think through this with me. the American Revolution and what we saw yesterday can both be defined with words like insurrection and treason. That is their 'form' as it were. But they are polar opposites in terms of content.

The American Revolution was about throwing off the tyrrany of a cult of a man, the tyreany of a king and a people subject to his whims or needs. It was about establishing a government by the people, for the people, where lofty ideals of honor and justice and the role of a people to govern themselves were lifted high. Where all the rampant forms of corruption seen in the European governments of the time from nepotosm to cronyism were to be put aside. From the preamble to the emoluments clause to the various amendments we see this focus on respect for our fellow man and the God given rights of ALL the people being respected to the acknowledgement of the need for a free press to hold the government accountable to the people.

All that was reversed on Wednesday. Here a band of thugs intent on installing their king against the express will of the people as expressed in a free and fair election tried to upend the lofty goals of our Revolution and illegally put in place a man that is the embodiment of nearly every form of corruption the founding fathers explicitly tried to prevent.

What we are witnessing is a free people preferring tyrrany over freedom, a people in a cult wanting their cult leader to take power from the people.

a cult??

A cult.. What do cult leaders do? They focus the attention of their followers on themselves.. and most importantly, they require their followers to cut themselves off from all influences or sources of information contrary to their teachings. Trump has called all contrary sources of information 'fake news' and so now his cult following only listens to sources that laud him or that he himself praises. Those that tell of his greatness. No source that does not speak of his greatness can be heard. Even now, as platforms like Twitter and Facebook and others cut off his falsehoods and lies, his followers believe him over all these other sources and are flocking to any and every source that will allow him to continue to speak to his cult lhis words that are just lies and falsehoods.

Millions upon millions of people engrossed in the cult of the man, cutting themselves off from any and all sources that call out his corruption or that do not laud and praise his deeds.

I condemn all violence, however:
Pro-Trump protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful. If you add up every day-town combination that had a group of 3 or more people in any size town, you'll see that there have been riots in <7% of them. Making this an overwhelmingly peaceful movement.

[shunyadragon]

Trashed the building - It's only property.

It wasn't a riot, it was .... Frustration.

Don't blame trump for provoking violence, MLK did too.

A riot is not 'frustration. Trump did urge them to 'march and fight.' Rathional people on both sides of politics realized the tragedy and condemned for what it was. Five died is not property. Trashing the Capital building is not just property.

As usual you minimize tragic criminal events to justify the your agenda, and your failed Messiah Trump.

MLK never advocated violence He was an advocate of non-violence. He protested against the brutal racism and segregation in the USA. He was assassinated by the violent opposition.

[CivilDiscourse]

A riot is not 'frustration. Trump did urge them to 'march and fight.' Rathional people on both sides of politics realized the tragedy and condemned for what it was. Five died is not property. Trashing the Capital building is not just property.

As usual you minimize tragic criminal events to justify the your agenda, and your failed Messiah Trump.

MLK never advocated violence He was an advocate of non-violence. He protested against the brutal racism and segregation in the USA. He was assassinated by the violent opposition.

I condemn all violence, however:
Pro-Trump protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful. If you add up every day-town combination that had a group of 3 or more people in any size town, you'll see that there have been riots in <7% of them. Making this an overwhelmingly peaceful movement.

[shunyadragon]

I condemn all violence,

That is in conflict with your statement that it was only 'property,' which is a sad dismissal of the hallowed grounds of our country. You appear to not be concerned at all.. . .

however:
Pro-Trump protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful. If you add up every day-town combination that had a group of 3 or more people in any size town, you'll see that there have been riots in <7% of them. Making this an overwhelmingly peaceful movement.

None of the above addresses the assault and desecration of the Capital building.

A riot is not 'frustration. Trump did urge them to 'march and fight.' Rational people on both sides of politics realized the tragedy and condemned for what it was. Five died is not property. Trashing the Capital building is not just property.

As usual you minimize tragic criminal events to justify the your agenda, and your failed Messiah Trump.

MLK never advocated violence He was an advocate of non-violence. He protested against the brutal racism and segregation in the USA. He was assassinated by the violent opposition.

[CivilDiscourse]

None of the above addresses the assault and desecration of the Capital building.

A riot is not 'frustration. Trump did urge them to 'march and fight.' Rational people on both sides of politics realized the tragedy and condemned for what it was. Five died is not property. Trashing the Capital building is not just property.

As usual you minimize tragic criminal events to justify the your agenda, and your failed Messiah Trump.

MLK never advocated violence He was an advocate of non-violence. He protested against the brutal racism and segregation in the USA. He was assassinated by the violent opposition.

I have just been using talking points used to defend BLM.

Source: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tfT8muaRiC4J:[url

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/01/dont-criticize-black-lives-matter-for-provoking-violence-the-civil-rights-movement-did-too/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us][/url]Don’t criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

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[Gondwanaland]

I have just been using talking points used to defend BLM.

Source: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tfT8muaRiC4J:[url

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/01/dont-criticize-black-lives-matter-for-provoking-violence-the-civil-rights-movement-did-too/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us][/url]Don’t criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

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It's been amusing watching the point fly well above the heads of quite a few here.