The litmus test of lunacy

[Charles]

As has been noted many times by now, it seems nothing is going to stop the Trump apologists (many probably schooled in apologetics from an early stage in their lives) to continue down the line of always finding ways to support what is evidently wrong and/or false. Micheal Gerson put some interesting words on it:

This is the litmus test of lunacy. The affirmation of demonstrably false statements has long been one of President Trump’s loyalty tests. His followers must agree that his inaugural crowd was larger than Barack Obama’s. Or that the Ukraine call was “perfect.” Or that hydroxychloroquine was a “game changer.”

But this instance is far more ambitious. The allegation of widespread and concerted electoral fraud is groundbreaking in its absurdity — more like contending that Obama’s entire inaugural crowd was computer-generated imagery, or that Ukraine is actually a fictional country, or that hydroxychloroquine is the long-sought elixir of eternal life. Trump is no longer asking his followers to believe the implausible. He is insisting that they accept a story as incredible as Pizzagate or the CIA assassination of John F. Kennedy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...7e8_story.html

Trump himself said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters as a consequence. Having spent some years on tweb I know exactly how that would work out. The trump apologists would find sources, telling us it was more complicated, Trump's life was probably at danger, it was self defence, unfortunately he had to do it to save his own life. Even if he himself would say he did it for the fun of it, we would be taught that Trump should be evaluated based on his actions not on his words. Someone should stop his tweets and apart from that everything shoul just continue. I mean, we have seen it over and over.

Perhaps one should be surprised that his followers are willing to accept even bigger lies when he is confronting them in the role of the loser. But it seems the very idea of Trump losing is one they simply cannot accept. And, the seemingly everlasting source of lies (ironically trusted by many people who claim to believe the truth should set us free) is willing to feed them with new ones. And bigger ones if needed. Unfortunately, we are not seeing the end of it yet. Fortunately, they have lost influence to the degree they used to have.

[oxmixmudd]

As has been noted many times by now, it seems nothing is going to stop the Trump apologists (many probably schooled in apologetics from an early stage in their lives) to continue down the line of always finding ways to support what is evidently wrong and/or false. Micheal Gerson put some interesting words on it:



Trump himself said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters as a consequence. Having spent some years on tweb I know exactly how that would work out. The trump apologists would find sources, telling us it was more complicated, Trump's life was probably at danger, it was self defence, unfortunately he had to do it to save his own life. Even if he himself would say he did it for the fun of it, we would be taught that Trump should be evaluated based on his actions not on his words. Someone should stop his tweets and apart from that everything shoul just continue. I mean, we have seen it over and over.

Perhaps one should be surprised that his followers are willing to accept even bigger lies when he is confronting them in the role of the loser. But it seems the very idea of Trump losing is one they simply cannot accept. And, the seemingly everlasting source of lies (ironically trusted by many people who claim to believe the truth should set us free) is willing to feed them with new ones. And bigger ones if needed. Unfortunately, we are not seeing the end of it yet. Fortunately, they have lost influence to the degree they used to have.

In Trump and in his acts since the election a great evil has been unleashed in our country. And if possible, it has deceived even the elect.

We saw yesterday his brood of thugs invade our capital as he flew over them smugly looking down at what he has wrought. He is a cult of personality that has persuaded even senators and congressman to abandon their oath to the constitution so they can follow him. A false Messiah of the real kind. A cult leader who will stop at nothing in his quest for absolute fielty from those that call him Lord.

[Ronson]

Is this the MSM echo-chamber thread? Can I play too?

Trump lies when he says there is no pee tape. Trump lies when he says he isn't in Putin's pocket. Trump lies when he says Melania didn't ask for a divorce. Trump lies when he says he didn't accept a POTUS salary. Trump lies when he said he brokered a deal with Muslim nations to recognize Israel. Trump lies when he says he hasn't started any new wars. Trump lies when he says he's returning troops back home. Trump lies when he says there is obvious fraud during this election. Trump can't help but lie - it's in his orange DNA to lie. Trump is a cult leader and has brainwashed millions of Americans. Fortunately Twitter has silenced him and the news media has decided to censor him, because we all know that the Democrats will save this country.

[oxmixmudd]

Is this the MSM echo-chamber thread? Can I play too?

Trump lies when he says there is no pee tape. Trump lies when he says he isn't in Putin's pocket. Trump lies when he says Melania didn't ask for a divorce. Trump lies when he says he didn't accept a POTUS salary. Trump lies when he said he brokered a deal with Muslim nations to recognize Israel. Trump lies when he says he hasn't started any new wars. Trump lies when he says he's returning troops back home. Trump lies when he says there is obvious fraud during this election. Trump can't help but lie - it's in his orange DNA to lie. Trump is a cult leader and has brainwashed millions of Americans. Fortunately Twitter has silenced him and the news media has decided to censor him, because we all know that the Democrats will save this country.

Trump is taking this country into a place of division and internal hostility like we've not seen in over 100 years. He is calling for loyalty to himself, not the country, not the constitution. Your mockery can not hide this simple fact and if you have any understanding of history you should understand the significance and the danger of that.

Why do you suppose that the oaths our military leaders and government leaders take is to the constitution and not to a leader? We are not a people that follow a man, but a people committed to the rule of law and the constitution.

Trump wants fielty to himself. He is everything the founding fathers worked to prevent. The sort of person our laws and separation of powers was designed to stop.

[Ronson]

Trump is taking this country into a place of division and internal hostility like we've not seen in over 100 years. He is calling for loyalty to himself, not the country, not the constitution. Your mockery can not hide this simple fact and if you have any understanding of history you should understand the significance and the danger of that.

Why do you suppose that the oaths our military leaders and government leaders take is to the constitution and not to a leader? We are not a people that follow a man, but a people committed to the rule of law and the constitution.

Trump wants fielty to himself. He is everything the founding fathers worked to prevent. The sort of person our laws and separation of powers was designed to stop.

It's not even about Trump, so much as it's about the Left's wide-eyed berserk reaction to him.

And the media's complicity to highlight and/or invent every blemish the guy might have, to the exclusion of printing actual news or investigating anything else.

[Maranatha]

Trump is taking this country into a place of division and internal hostility like we've not seen in over 100 years. He is calling for loyalty to himself, not the country, not the constitution. Your mockery can not hide this simple fact and if you have any understanding of history you should understand the significance and the danger of that.

Why do you suppose that the oaths our military leaders and government leaders take is to the constitution and not to a leader? We are not a people that follow a man, but a people committed to the rule of law and the constitution.

Trump wants fielty to himself. He is everything the founding fathers worked to prevent. The sort of person our laws and separation of powers was designed to stop.

Hostility to defunding police, open borders, and your incessant charges conservatives are racist and deplorable, is a hostility of your own making.

Sure, it was fun to make the orange man bad, make him worse than Hitler as I heard it. The planets existential threat. Worse than Galactus.

Now you have collateral damage on your scorched earth methods, so your calls for unity will likely be ignored.

It's just the way this world works.

[NorrinRadd]

Gerson proved that he's a fool not worth listening to when he followed the father of lies in implying Bad Orange Man was the first and primary promoter of HCQ. It was in widespread use around the world before BOM ever heard of it, probably via Fox News. Infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith was using it in his practice, and frequently used the term, "game changer." Epidemiologist Dr. Harvey Risch has been advocating it for months, including in Congressional testimony several weeks ago; he used the term, "game changer" in regard to *early* treatment with HCQ + antibiotic + zinc.

[oxmixmudd]

Hostility to defunding police, open borders, and your incessant charges conservatives are racist and deplorable, is a hostility of your own making.

Sure, it was fun to make the orange man bad, make him worse than Hitler as I heard it. The planets existential threat. Worse than Galactus.

Now you have collateral damage on your scorched earth methods, so your calls for unity will likely be ignored.

It's just the way this world works.

I am not for defunding police. But I am against institutional racism.

I am not for open borders. But I am against separating children, especially small children, from their mothers and holding them in for months or longer, alone and afraid in what are essentially prisons

I have never said Trumpbwas worse than Hitler. I have said that he is a narcissist and has no moral compass. And as we can see, he will not respect democracy nor is he above attempting to actually keep his position as president no matter the cost to the country.

Trump IS bad. I've never had to manufacture or make up any accusation of concern. Trump has instead simply persuaded you and his followers to listen only to his voice. Any reporting that raises red flags or tells the truth about what he has done or is doing instantly is the enemy - even Fox News. What kind of leader controls what his followers believ or will listen too Ronson. What sort of leader defines what is true and what is false for his followers and then demands loyalty tests from them to prove if they are 'really' with him?

Cult leaders, kings, Supreme leaders, dictators, despots.

No legitimate leader of this country, no legitimate president can demand such a thing. If we have any loyalty as citizens of this country, our loyalty is to this country and its constitution and to the rule of law. Not to any president or senator or congressman.

[oxmixmudd]

It's not even about Trump, so much as it's about the Left's wide-eyed berserk reaction to him.

And the media's complicity to highlight and/or invent every blemish the guy might have, to the exclusion of printing actual news or investigating anything else.

And yet here he is refusing to concede, defying even the Supreme Court, and seeking to undermine our democracy. Republicans in Georgia stood up for what was right and he turned on them. He turns on everyone that puts principle and integrity over what he wants.

This is reality ronson. I'm not making it up. These people in these battleground states that have stood by their process, Republicans many of them, are not people wanting to go along with some vast conspiracy. They are people that wanted Trump to win. They are normal people doing their jobs with the courage to speak the truth when it is unpopular, when it is dangerous to themselves and their families.

Ronson, can you not see that a man who would demand good people lie and turn on their own conscience and then seek to punish them when they did not IS a bad man?

[John Hunt]

"It's not even about Trump, so much as it's about the Left's wide-eyed berserk reaction to him"

Looking at this from the outside, from Europe, it's tough to understand this representation of the left in the USA. Biden and his cohorts are generally seen as moderate, centrist, right-leaning people. The most successful countries in Europe (and the world), with the highest standards of living, tend to be run.in the most part, by Social-Democratic parties who are committed to investing in the "public good" - in terms of health, education and infrastructure. Increasing inequality is seen as regressive. The USA has been going backwards for decades in this respect, with the middle class share of income steadily declining, the top 10% rising, the top 1% and particularly 0.1% going into the stratosphere. So there's a lot of bitterness around. Which some people manage to exploit.

[mossrose]

I have never said Trumpbwas worse than Hitler.

You pretty much called him Satan or the Antichrist in your first post here.

I guess Satan is not as bad as Hitler?

[rogue06]

As has been noted many times by now, it seems nothing is going to stop the Trump apologists (many probably schooled in apologetics from an early stage in their lives) to continue down the line of always finding ways to support what is evidently wrong and/or false. Micheal Gerson put some interesting words on it:



Trump himself said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters as a consequence. Having spent some years on tweb I know exactly how that would work out. The trump apologists would find sources, telling us it was more complicated, Trump's life was probably at danger, it was self defence, unfortunately he had to do it to save his own life. Even if he himself would say he did it for the fun of it, we would be taught that Trump should be evaluated based on his actions not on his words. Someone should stop his tweets and apart from that everything shoul just continue. I mean, we have seen it over and over.

Perhaps one should be surprised that his followers are willing to accept even bigger lies when he is confronting them in the role of the loser. But it seems the very idea of Trump losing is one they simply cannot accept. And, the seemingly everlasting source of lies (ironically trusted by many people who claim to believe the truth should set us free) is willing to feed them with new ones. And bigger ones if needed. Unfortunately, we are not seeing the end of it yet. Fortunately, they have lost influence to the degree they used to have.

And now the left can save the country by instituting the reeducation camps and gulags that they kept fantasizing about. Just as soon as they finish with making their enemies list so they know who to punish. Yea America!

[Reepicheep]

The USA has been going backwards for decades in this respect, with the middle class share of income steadily declining, the top 10% rising, the top 1% and particularly 0.1% going into the stratosphere.

There are two statistics which illustrate your point quite plainly. According to the Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances the average net worth of a US household is $692,100. The median net worth of a US household is only $97,300. This clearly shows the astonishing amount of wealth that is in the hands of the US's super rich.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...0%2476%2C200).

[shunyadragon]

Is this the MSM echo-chamber thread? Can I play too?

Trump lies when he says there is no pee tape. Trump lies when he says he isn't in Putin's pocket. Trump lies when he says Melania didn't ask for a divorce. Trump lies when he says he didn't accept a POTUS salary. Trump lies when he said he brokered a deal with Muslim nations to recognize Israel. Trump lies when he says he hasn't started any new wars. Trump lies when he says he's returning troops back home. Trump lies when he says there is obvious fraud during this election. Trump can't help but lie - it's in his orange DNA to lie. Trump is a cult leader and has brainwashed millions of Americans. Fortunately Twitter has silenced him and the news media has decided to censor him, because we all know that the Democrats will save this country.

Not a meaningful nor relevant list of Trump's lies. If you include a complete list of Trump's lies the conclusion Trump is a chronic pathological liar.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election-us-2016-36198532

Ted Cruz: Donald Trump is a 'pathological liar'

Ted Cruz: Donald Trump is a 'pathological liar'Close
Ted Cruz says Donald Trump is a pathological liar after Mr Trump repeats a tabloid story about Mr Cruz's father.
Published3 May 2016SectionBBC NewsSubsectionUS Election 2016Related

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[Charles]

And now the left can save the country by instituting the reeducation camps and gulags that they kept fantasizing about. Just as soon as they finish with making their enemies list so they know who to punish. Yea America!

I think this justifies that claim that quite many evangelicals and Trump supporters are driven by irrational fear.

Your ideas about "the left" as a unity of all likeminded which is an illusion in this case, and your foolish assumption that gulag camps are on their way, makes a quite good case that there is not much reason to appeal to, unfortunately.